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Happy birthday to lovebytez! May your new friends in LA take you and Nauti out for a fantastic time - or you know: whatever you had in mind. *g*

So. Yesterday, businesses were shut down all over Texas due to the immigrant boycott. Hardest hit were obviously the construction sites and restaurants. In our paper, a local man went to a taco stand for lunch and was pissed to find it closed and gave a brief interview.

"If you an illegal alien, you have no right to be here."

Do I find it hilarious that people don't want the illegal immigrants here, yet PATRONIZE THEIR BUSINESSES?? Oh, hell yes. There isn't a pearl-clutching DAR momma I know that doesn't whisper confidentially that her gardener/pool man/house painter is a gem she had (_insert husband's name here_) pick up on Ross avenue. (That is a local street in the heart of Little Mexico here in Dallas where illegal immigrants stand on the corner looking for work. Notice I used the word WORK. What's bad here?)

These aren't people soliciting for sex. Or dealing drugs. Or living of the corporate tit and not contributing. These are the hard working men and women that bust their asses to get something. They take the jobs no one wants: washing dishes. Bussing tables. Framing houses in the hot Texas heat. Laying asphalt. Cleaning lazy rich white women's houses. We (lazy rich white women) pay them in cash because it's convenient. My god, in my neighborhood, I can't get a babysitter because the teenage girls don't want to work. Is it any sort of surprise that the wives of the painters, concrete crews, etc. will come to my neighborhood as nannies during the day?

They aren't taking jobs away from Americans. They're taking the jobs Americans won't do. They aren't taking the entry-level managerial jobs at Jamba Juice. Or Alcatel. The hardest working man I ever saw in my life was Juan. He washed dishes at the restaurant I worked at just out of high school. He got there an hour early, trying to convince the prep crews to teach him how to do their job so he could move up. He stayed late polishing glasses, because he was afraid that if there were spots on the mugs, he would get fired. :( Yes, he sent a huge portion of his paychecks home to Mexico. (did you also know the estimate median weekly pay for immigrants is $300? Not a lot, folks) He had sisters and nieces and nephews that depended on him, because the Mexican government doesn't have a welfare program. Or a work program. Or standardized education. Vincente Fox is trying, but my god, that gov't is so corrupt, it's simply going to take generations to fix.

Our old neighborhood's school was almost 80% migrant workers' children. The kindergarten teachers were PhDs. The problem they faced were that the kids are here for such a short time - the parents come and go between our countries trying to avoid deportation and banishment - that they grow up illiterate in TWO languages. So kindergarten was taught in both English and Spanish. I had no problems with this, you kidding me? My children fluent in multi-languages? Sign 'em up. And I saw the tightest knit families: mothers and tias and fathers and abuelas y abuelos. All there to support the student, be involved in their life. They are good, honest, hard working people who mostly don't know our customs and laws, but are trying to survive.

And we're the land of plenty, in which I firmly believe. *waves flag* Voting is coming up, folks. There has to be a way to help and support people who want to be here, who contribute to our country, yet not put a strain on our funds, etc. Aaaaaaaanyway. *climbs off soapbox* If you aren't a Native American Indian, IMO, you have no grounds to bitch about immigration. :D *cough* My family is Choctaw, by the way.

So how many of you have struggled with a ficathon before? As in, you got deep into it, realized it WASN'T what the person asked for, and when you sat to think about what they DID ask for you came to the conclusion that it cannot be done? Erm, done well, from your particular brain, and within the confines of the rules (no parody). I'm finding that unless it's a parody (which, I've been told is shockingly close to canon characterization regardless of the situation I've put them in), I want the fic I write to FEEL like canon. To be as close to the source material's goal as possible. This is my preference, by the way.

In other words, GRUMBLE. Time to shut my yap and get busy.

Comments

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lostakasha
May. 2nd, 2006 07:04 am (UTC)
First, word on the immigration issue. Exactly what you said.

As for the ficathon blues? I literally had to have ely_jan over my virtual shoulder this weekend to keep me on track with a nasty-ass ficathon request that was like shitting tinfoil. It was a deceptively easy prompt, but the characters just weren't jelling and they would not respect my authoritah.

I made the deadline, and the result is okay, but it was a wholly unsatisfactory process. So even if it gets read and gets decent fb I'll still be dissapointed in it because for me the process is as important as the end result.
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 07:26 am (UTC)
GAH. See, that's what I want to avoid. The whole "I hate what I wrote" thing.

I did have a great discussion with the mod of the ficathon last night - she's terrific. I just have this need to FOLLOW RULES, omg. :D

(thanks)
marlo
May. 2nd, 2006 07:28 am (UTC)
Preach it, sister. People are really racist against (mostly Asian and East Indian) immigrants in Vancouver.
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 07:32 am (UTC)
Argh! I have a girlfriend that said the SAME THING about Asians. (She's Asian.) I was shocked when she told me she felt less discriminated against in TENNESSEE over Canada. HUH?!)

The good thing is, I truly believe our generation and the younger ones are more tolerant, less racist, and more open to living and let live, you know? Just gotta let some of this "older generation" die out.

(Oh, man, the fic I was writing? So many inside jokes with 4chan and WoW and sci-fi cons and ANDREW (BtVS)and... the person wants sexy Andrew. Sexy ANDREW.)
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cherusha
May. 2nd, 2006 07:46 am (UTC)
WORD.

You work that soapbox, girlfriend!
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 07:52 am (UTC)
*does*

(sexy. And paired with Xander, who is mature and calm.) I... remember the grumble last night? THIS IS THE REASON. *stares at multi-chaptered [outlined] fic of hilarity and USELESSNESS*
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dlgood
May. 2nd, 2006 07:52 am (UTC)
They aren't taking jobs away from Americans. They're taking the jobs Americans won't do.

I disagree. Lawns get cut in Philadelphia, where there isn't nearly the influx. The difference is... when American workers take those jobs, they expect to be paid a decent wage, and they expect some amount of benefits and such. That's why we have so many 'undocumented workers' - not because their filling niches that would go empty, but because they're cheaper.

And folks can talk about values and identity all they want, but there is one color that matters most: Green. Which is why, no matter all the blather about declining schools or leaky borders, you still aren't going to see anyone nut up and admit that our current Tax Policy won't allow us to fix any of them.
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 08:00 am (UTC)
Well, I'll just say for the record that immigration in Pennsylvania vs. Texas is going to be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT issue. There aren't white people (or black people) that want to lay tar in 115 degree weather. Or frame houses or do tile work. Oh, there's maybe one or two for every twenty Mexicans, but trust me on this one.

My BIL is a construction foreman, and he has nothing but immigrants working for him because he cannot find anyone else! Or, the "gringoes" give up after a day or two because they can't cut it. My uncle runs a painting business. 98% of his workforce are immigants. They make great wages, he tries to give them extra for benefits, since he legally cannot give them insurance, etc., and they stay with him because he treats them fairly. He hires immigrants because they will WORK.

The main thing I'd like to see fixed (since there's an idea of terrorists coming across the mud pit that is the Rio Grande) is the Employee Work Grants system. The folks I know don't mind being documented and contributing to the American system. They just want a better life, honest to god. And they have it here.
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slasheuse
May. 2nd, 2006 07:53 am (UTC)
I have to say that the attitude you outline (of the wealthy established Americans), and just the whole illegal immigrant issue is one of the things about American politics I understand LEAST. *headdesk*

Anyway, yes! How are you?
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 08:02 am (UTC)
HI HI!!! (Feeling better? I know the next 48 hours are going to be rough for you, sweetheart. *hugs*)

What's amazing to me is that this country - founded on immigration - is so staunchly AGAINST it. I just don't buy the whole "they're taking our jobs away from us" mentality. I do not know a single white American that ever voluntarily worked on a farm, that wasn't born to said farm. (My dad's family is practically nothing but farmers.)

We're the land of plenty and opportunity. There's racism involved here in Texas with the Mexicans, honestly. A lot of old timers haven't forgotten the Alamo and Santa Anna.
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lynnenne
May. 2nd, 2006 08:13 am (UTC)
Why don't you send me what you've written so far, and we'll see if we can find a way to turn it into something that might fit the request? I have some experience finding solutions to unwrite-able fic requests. Witness "Sense Memory." Damn chrisleeoctaves. *g*
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 08:15 am (UTC)
Gah - I don't mean to piss you off, honest! I want so badly to fufill the request to the T!

Let me look at this for a bit, I'm out to go run, which makes my brain work better, and I'll see what I can come up with, or just send you what I have and take your advice?

And seriously: you are awesome.
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pernickety
May. 2nd, 2006 08:35 am (UTC)
Oh, so much 'word' about the immigrants. Around here everyone's up in arms about Polish and Eastern European workers, and it's basically the same situation. My uncle is in agriculture and since years he's had to employ illegals because nobody else would take the job.

Fic requests are evil little things. They never work out the way they're suppose to (not without causing minor headaches, that is). Don't let the Man ficathon get you down! :D
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 09:08 am (UTC)
Oh, sure. It's the same thing, I'm certain. It's easy to look at disenfranchised people (put into that situation from war, etc.) and sniff and pooh-pooh them and their "needs."

"Fix your own country! We're full." But how do they? How can they in this modern, global economy were living in?

*girds up loins and porns it up*
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stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 09:10 am (UTC)
ROCK! We had one here in Dallas, 500,000 people strong! It was AWESOME to see. Not one fight, not one case of unruly behavior, nothing of the sort, hooray! It was simply astounding to witness.

And I hear you on the cooks, etc. Here, you don't buy donuts from anyone not Korean. They got it DOWN. :D
mangosorbet007
May. 2nd, 2006 08:44 am (UTC)
Having lived in Mexico for 3 years now (after 7 in the US), I'm not sure I support illegal immigration. There are various reasons, but the main one is this:
Money sent home by immigrants abroad keeps Mexico afloat and makes it way to easy for this country to continue the way it is now. Yes, things are improving for the middle class and the wealthy and the filthy rich. I teach their kids, I see their houses, I listen to their vacation stories. But the poor and disenfrachised have only one option - to go to the next bigger city, and/or to go North.
A couple of months ago Pew studied Mexican attitues towards migration, and over 40% of Mexicans would like to go to the US, 20% would do so illegally if they could get away with it. These numbers included people of all educational backgrounds.
I absolutely understand this (I live a solid middle class life and still have to deal with corruption and crime and pollution), and I cherish the fact that I can *get out* if I choose (and in fact will leave this summer, for personal reasons). If I were a Mexican I'd try to get out too, no matter how wonderful this country might be in so many ways. However, I am East German and I am not sure that running away to another country is the best solution. And I am absolutely, 105% sure that Mexico will not move a finger to improve the lives of the poor while they still serve as "donkeys that shit money", as we say in my native language.

http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=52
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 09:01 am (UTC)
Oh, MAN you rule for providing a link! Here's my background: mother's family is Cajun and Choctaw indian (the native peoples here before Spain, France, etc.) My father's family is English/Scottish immigrants, some who came and helped the Texicans (as folks in the late 1700s and early 1800s were called) fight Santa Anna.

Now. Most of the immigrants I worked with and was friends with, their goal was to get their families out and up north. Which I fully supported, because families divided makes me sad. BUT. I also know that Vincent Fox's original plan (as presented to our gov't) was to imporve the quality of life and eliminate corruption in Mexico to get the citizens to WANT TO STAY. Because if your work base leaves, what chance of improvement do you have?

Ultimately, I'd agree that the goal is to improve the quality of life in Mexico. I'm a firm believer in staying put and fixing it before just giving up and moving on. The problem Mexico is currently facing (as I see it) is still fear in local gov'ts, the lack of proper funding for basic living - schools, roads, hospitals, police force, and the rampant corruption that's been in place for well over a century, if not longer.
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julia_here
May. 2nd, 2006 09:02 am (UTC)
Note on part of the weirdness of Easter Sunday, which I've not been able to write about because of the abundant and borderline insane weirdness, in re immigration:

Yakima County is right on the border of becoming majority Spanish Speaking, and, for that matter, majority naturalized immigrant registered voters. My cousin Punk grew up on a Red Delicious Ranch on the edge of the Cowiche plateau; she was complaining about her home town being "Little Tijuana." Her daughter has moved out onto the Columbia Plateau, to Moses Lake, because (get ready for the code) "The schools are better."

The weird thing is, there's been a school shooting in Moses Lake Middle School, and a boy was just convicted of murder after being tried as an adult for beating his Moses Lake Middle School friend to death when he was thirteen and the friend eleven.

Meanwhile, the Granger High School, which was featured on Morning Edition yesterday, is the one my cousin's daughter moved away from...

Most of the "Mexicans" I grew up around were actually Spanish-speaking Coloradans who moved up here during WW2, to work in the woods and the shipyards and at Boeing. One of the scariest stories I've everheard is about my friend Marlene's grandfather, who was caught up in the deportation flights and removed to Mexico when he got a flat tire on his car on his way to work at the Monterey Naval Base where he was a civilian mechanic.

Julia, or, examples of the irrational responses of the White Eyes to the whole matter of living on the North American Continent

stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 09:15 am (UTC)
oh, I KNEW you would have some good things to say. I'm sure you have an influx of migrant workers just as we do, as well. And for the record: DISD, which is predominantly minority (which, considering Hispanics are 42% of the city makes me laugh at the term "minority") has the NUMBER ONE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY. Check your newest Newsweek.

We have Spanish speaking principals and teachers, and there was an upraor over that. "Speak American!" Which, I'll assume means English. :D Why these people can't fathom that almost EVERY SINGLE EUROPEAN COUNTRY has their students learn multiple languages... But then, there are still those old hardliners that hear "European" and translate that to socialism and by default, Communism and can't understand what's really being said.

I had that school "code" in our old neighborhood, and I have to say, some of the best teachers I ever encountered were in our 80% immigrant/minority school. And our white neighbors were ponying up huge dollars to ship their little shits off to private schools and getting an inferior education, truly. The only reason we moved was because a child molestor bought the next door house, and a meth lab was behind us. NICE. (Oh, those folks were all white. Ahem.)
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entrenous88
May. 2nd, 2006 09:25 am (UTC)
What a dorkus that guy given the interview was. I mean, how clear is it that not only is he patronizing the businesses of said illegal immigrants, but part of his budgeting and saving of cash depends on buying the cheaper lunch that he can get at that taco stand because it's run by illegal immigrants. Jerkoff.

Good luck with your ficathon request. My advice here is to go back to the show -- watch some eps, read some transcripts -- and use that as a way to find moments that will let you work out the material in the request.
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 09:31 am (UTC)
Dude, SERIOUSLY. "Curse those blasted Hispanics for not making my cheap and affordable $1.25 burrito today! Now I have to spend more on gas to drive to a McDonalds and buy a $5 meal! What an inconvenience! I'll just make a blanket statement about how they're all horrid and that'll show 'em!"

As for the ficathon thing, I'm emailing you RIGHT. NOW. :D
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stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 09:41 am (UTC)
When I was in college, I dated a boy that built roads in the summer. They got SERIOUS money for that work. He was the only white guy working - mostly Indians (Southern Utah has three nations of tribes there) and some Mexicans. It would get... 135 degrees on site? This is July and August, in the desert, with hot tar pouring out of the back of a truck. He would come back to the dorms beaten down tired, and those guys would hang out and drink beer and have energy still. They always marveled at the "gringo" working alongside of them.

(And I hear you on the mom jobs. SO many of the moms here have those illegal immigrant maids, and while I wouldn't mind putting money in their pockets, I feel so LAZY having them do my job, when I don't have a paid job keeping me from it, you know?)
paynbow
May. 2nd, 2006 09:52 am (UTC)
Amen sister, to the entire rant. Does that angry interviewee want to work at the taco stand? No? Then shut up and let the people get on with their jobs.

As for the ficathon, yes, yes, and a thousands times yes. I wrote it anyway and the person who requested it didn't comment on it at all. *shrugs*
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 10:33 am (UTC)
He doesn't want to work there because he is a Middle Management person and wants to save a buck or three on lunch by using the cheap food place to help him achieve his goal. :|
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altyronsmaker
May. 2nd, 2006 09:54 am (UTC)
Ohhhh. Nice post.

I, however, fall on the opposite side of the fence - with qualifiers.

Illegal aliens SHOULDN'T be here. For the simple fact that they ARE breaking the law. That's the simple, most expediant way I can say it. However, I'm not against immigrants. Yup, they do the jobs Americans won't do - the jobs American's won't do cheaply (which is the craw in my cap, personally).

I have two huge problems with illegal immigrants: the companies that hire them work them almost like slaves, and use them to keep their overhead costs down. Goldkist, the chicken processing plant where my dad works, gets away with a RIDICULOUSLY low paying wage because they've got nearly 90% of their staff as illegal aliens. Also, benefits are kept to a minimum because the workers refuse to support their union for fear of their jobs. It's a downward spiral there.

My second problem: They're keeping their children in the culture of migration. You mentioned it in your post, them being illiterate in two languages. The Mexican families that come to Florida to work the groves and dairies keep their kids out of school so they can work too. This does no one any good. Not the parents, not the kids, not this country. That crap really frosts my twinkies, and NOT in a good way!

Immigration isn't an issue I get too up in arms about, because I understand that the people are trying to make a better life for themselves. Go them! Just do it by the law. Other groups of immigrants have managed.

Oh, and explain to me why illegal immigrants get the benefit of public assistant programs, when Americans are suffering and can't get access to those same programs? That is something I'll NEVER understand. Ever.
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 10:09 am (UTC)
Tyson chicken and Con-Agra are two other large, Republican supporting conglomerates that abuse illegal immigants with the government's help, too. And I'll never support either company or their products as a result.

But not all companies that knowingly hire illegals (and many are denied application for citizenship, I've seen it happen) abuse them. My uncle, for example, pays them a fair wage, and then some, since he can't GET them benefits. There are scads of mom and pop businesses here that hire them because they want people who will WORK, and they pay them fairly. You can't paint it all with a blanket statement: all are bad. Not in my opinion, at any rate.

And the migrant workers here in Texas put their kids in schools. The problem is, they catch wind of being deported, so they pull up stakes and can't get their kids BACK in schools easily, especially if they leave Texas, where our school systems know how to work with these families. So their education is stunted. Or they're rounded up and kicked back across the river and there ARE no schools there.

Basically, we have got to stop acting like these people don't contribute to AMerica, because they DO. And listen: I was ON welfare at one point. They aren't taking funds away from white people. Who are these "Americans" that can't get medicaid? Food stamps? Is it because they make too much? These immigrants here in Dallas, for example, average THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS A WEEK. 1200 a month. That's under 16,000 a year. Who in America is making that? American citiznery, that is.

I do not see immigrants panhandling. I do not see immigrants lined up at the food stamps offices. I see them lined up on Ross Avenue approaching work trucks trying to get WORK. I see them going door to door offering their services at house work, yard clean up, see them going to other Hispanics in kitchens and offering to sweep and wash dishes. I also see American teenagers driving in Range Rovers blowing money on clothes and CDs and concerts.

Err... struck a nerve. :D
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stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 10:10 am (UTC)
Ay, mi amiga. Yo te quiero so muuuuuuuuch. :D

Te amo, amiga. *besos*
rahirah
May. 2nd, 2006 11:07 am (UTC)
I can't help but notice the folks who are all for guest workers but dead set against anything that might lead to citizenship--i.e. let's bring the brown guys in to work for us, but for God's sake don't let them vote.

This is why I avoid ficathons. :/
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 12:41 pm (UTC)
Ha! Good point. As if they aren't people, just a means to an end. One thing I was pleased to see at the protest (half a million strong, yo!) was booths helping them learn HOW to become citizens, HOW to have a voice, etc. And the lines were around the block. These aren't free loaders: they've believed us when we've spouted "The American Dream," so is it any wonder they want a crack at it?

(And I've never had a problem before. Hmmm. EntreNouse88 has some good advice for me to shelf this one thing and start from scratch. I think I'll be okay, just a bit shocked at how far away I got from the original request. Entirely my fault.)
elcazavampiros
May. 2nd, 2006 01:49 pm (UTC)
I've kind of been silent on this whole issue, which doesn't mean that I don't have my own opinions.

First, do we need immigration reform? --> Definitely.

Second, should there be a way to legalize the workers who are here illegally? --> Yes. There is no way to prosecute (or deport) 12 million illegals. I believe that they should be given OPPORTUNITY. The talking heads don't seem to get this. As you stated, the vast majority of these workers, who do the jobs no one else wants to do, want a better life. They should have the OPPORTUNITY to show that they are going to work here (and have the responsibilty to pay taxes like everyone else).

Should they learn English? Yes. Because, whether I personally agree or disagree, it is the predominant language of the US and if they want to improve their lives, they really have to be able to use English. But, they should be given the OPPORTUNITY to do so. Should they give up their culture and own language by doing this? --> fuck no. Language and culture go hand in hand. I can't tell you how many Hispanic people I've known who feel like they've lost something of their culture by not knowing Spanish. Keeping both languages, keeps me employed helps them assimilate into the US culture as well as binds them to their own.

Third, do we need stronger border control? This is probably the one area of the whole debate where I personally have no solution. Do we want to build the Great Wall of US? Doesn't stronger boarder control keep us safer? (Hmmm, pretty sure the 9/11 terrorists did not come across the Rio Grande). Isn't it impossible to patrol a border as big as it is?

As you stated in your post (or maybe in the comments), we ARE a country made up of immigrants who came here to seek a better life.

Other thoughts: The whole National Anthem thing. I swear that if there were a group of Hawaiian children singing the anthem in Hawaiian at some event where Bush was attending, he would think it was the cutest thing. His remarks just pissed me off royally, especially since he committed to a langauge initiative on January 5. Also, I was joyous when I heard that the state department had the words to the National Anthem</i> in Spanish on their website for years. Hee hee.

I had something else to say, but it has now slipped my mind. If I remember it, I'll send and addendum.

stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 01:54 pm (UTC)
Yes SIR. Yes yes yes. English is our national language, obviously, but I have no problem AT ALL with students learning both, instead of kinda sorta letting high school students have an elective of a second language. It's incredibly beneficial for children to learn other languages.

And Yes to reform, to the impossibility of border patrol (Mexico needs to take responsibility and make a country its citizens want to LIVE IN, and CAN live in) and DITTO on Bush and Hawaiians. That's exactly what his reaction would be, wouldn't it? Fucker.
tabaqui
May. 2nd, 2006 01:52 pm (UTC)
It's not a matter of immigrants coming over here and ruining things. It's a matter of companies being more than willing to offer crappy jobs at low pay, knowing only undocumented - and therefore easy-to-fuck-over workers - will take the jobs.

The govt. should be stopping the abuse of the workers and *forcing* the companies to offer a freakin' living wage. And up the damn minimum wage, too.

I've never cared about immigrants. My whole damn family are immigrants and thank Christ America was happy to take them in. Maybe if we'd help Mexico overcome some of its corruption instead of bitching about immigrants and spraying herbicide all over south america, things would actually improve.

*ahem*

Yes, i'm a litte ranty and incoherent. I blame the eggs.
stoney321
May. 2nd, 2006 01:56 pm (UTC)
Oh, HELL YES to the upping the minimum wage!! (As to companies fucking these people over, HELL YES. Check out the slaughter industries. They routinely screw their employees after illegally bringing them over, then dumping them and getting more workers if the first batch becomes injured. And they have GOVERNMENT INCENTIVES to do this. I'm mostly referring to the mom and pop operations that are all over this region in Texas. The two hermanas that make tamales and sell them to construction workers, etc. etc.)

*kicks them eggs* Rant away, tootsie! Rant away.
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cityphonelines
May. 3rd, 2006 12:28 am (UTC)
Firstly: OMG LAURA!! HI!! Dude, I'm so mad I missed the Hip-Hop poll quiz thingy. I would've rocked it's socks.

Secondly, I weigh in on this matter, cause well, if you walk too far downtown in my city it IS Mexico. *cuddles her
jen-u-wine border town*

There's one thing that I think everyone should know about this law. It's huge. No, not just the matter of it, the paperwork. The details of the law are around 13 pages of fine print long and people are skimming the fat of it with turkey basters. It's not a motion for deportation, because honestly that I would be more on the plus side of. Keep in mind I live in a city where $8 dollars an hour is considered big bucks in my city if you fall in the 18-30 age bracket and the actual citizens aren't (on the whole) unwillingly to do the kind of work the migrants do. Because hey, there are a lot of citizens in El Paso that will deign to work at Wal-Mart (and other jobs, but who could resist using the original Evil Empire), but a lot of the employees are not technically legal. This is what the main part of the law is: Illegals will not be deported, they will be prosecuted and most likely imprisoned, as will their employers. *boggles* That, to me, is SO wrong on so many levels.

The law was designated to generate a more popular Republican vote, but it's backfiring hard. I had more but I'm getting sleepy.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2006 06:42 am (UTC)
HELLO!!! *hugs you so tight, OMG, VINNIE!!!!!!*

Yeah, you know the ups and downs of this whole debate, too. (I have to say that folks who live where there are, what, four brown people? chiming in on how immigants are bad are cracking me up. Why don't you hush, and listen to the BLackspanic from EL Paso tell you what's what?

Or you know... drive through southern New Mexico. Or visit Brownsville, TX. Or open up a truck with 35 poor people in the trailer burning up trying to get to a better life before you make those blanket statements.

And YES to the huge legislation package. It's MONSTROUS. And it isn't clear cut. And do we really need to pack our jails with more disenfranchised people? And what about the small business people? We're going to jail them too?? Put Tyson chicken's board of executives in jail before you slap the guy who pushes an ice cream handcart in jail. Who's causing more harm? GAH.

And you SO would have rocked the hip hop quiz, you kidding me??? *Roger Rabbits you*
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Reading this? I'm just curious. Because that's really detail-oriented of you. Feel free to stop reading. But you can see that there's more here, so are you going to keep reading? Really? That's pretty dedicated. I'm impressed. No, really. I'm not being sarcastic, why do you get like that? See, this is the problem I have with your mother - yes. YES. I'm going there. It's time we put all of our cards on the table.

I love you, why are you doing this? After all we've been through? You don't have to be like this. You know, still reading. You could be baking a pie. And then sharing it with me.

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