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Let's get the lame out of the way first.

  • I totally bawled yesterday while rewatching the Connor arc on Angel.

  • While taking notes.

  • And looking up references in Dante's inferno.

  • And deciding to not post all of my notes about religious symbols/themes in the Holtz/Angel/Connor storylines because the ONLY PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT MY CONNOR LOVE/INTEREST are going away to MEET HIM.

  • And I have moments where I can't breathe for excitement for them because: VINCENT.

(I swear to god, you mock my Connor love and I'll cut you. I'LL CUT YOU WITH BRANDI'S KNIFE!)


  • My son sighing today, chuckling, and saying "I sure do admire that Fred Weasley." Ahahahaha! My little juvie-wanna-be in training.

  • The ongoing discussion of the gayness of Eternia and He-Man in entrenous88's journal here.

We'll ignore that I know all the character names and that I obsessively watched it. And shipped She-Ra/He-Man before my brain realized they were brother and sister. I blame George Lucas for making me imagine and want Luke/Leia. We all know Yoda/Chewbacca is OTP.

And I would really like to see in a story how Spike puts wax plugs in his nostrils because Buffy has the hots for Angel, hence the blocking of her scent. (The constant sniffing thing skeevs me out, people.)


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Jul. 27th, 2006 09:11 pm (UTC)
I have FOUR PAGES of notes.

I mean, I'm pulling out the Gnostics vs/ Agnostics as evidenced by Gunn/Wes/Fred in mid-season four and how Cordy represents a bastardization of the Blessed Mother AND -


And my mother would ONLY tell me I'm pretty if there was a hot man with a fat wallet around and EW. But yes, leather pants. Now I'm thinking of Jan Hooks: "I am a barfly." HEEEEEEEEE!
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:09 pm (UTC)
Don't listen to those haters! Connor is LOVE. (People are going to meet him? Really? Bastards!)
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:12 pm (UTC)

touch him, oh god. I literally held kleenex to my eyellids re-watching S4. I used to HATE it. When you can watch it all in one go, it changes the WHOLE THING. Plus, Vincent Kartheiser is an OUTSTANDING actor.
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Jul. 27th, 2006 09:13 pm (UTC)
For some reason Maren is not surprised *at all* that I am spazzing out in Entre's post about my love of childhood shows. It's like she knows me or something.

Plz to post your notes. I wish there had been more discussion at the panel regarding the questions/issues you mentioned.
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:28 pm (UTC)
Ahahahahaha!!! I love dorking out. Which is fortunate, as I do it often.

And yeah!! Check out churchofjoss - it should be everything we wanted in that talk AND THEN SOME. Heh.
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Jul. 27th, 2006 09:13 pm (UTC)
Dude. I LOVE Connor. Love him like I love few other people in the Jossverse. I don't talk about it much b/c I don't talk much Buffy/Angel at all anymore but if you're looking for an audience to blab about Connor to, my ears are ready and waiting cause he ownz me. As far as I'm concerned Season 4 of Angel is one of the finest, most well written and well acted seasons of television that I've ever seen and the h8 for it makes me cry.
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:27 pm (UTC)
I LOVE HIM. I love him SO much. I do NOT understand the hate!! I mean, it's Othello. It's Hamlet. It's Tristan and Isolde! It's friggin' EVERYTHING!!
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:16 pm (UTC)
I... just...
Oh well. I guess my Connor love just renders me speechless. But I know what you mean about S4 - it's better when watched quick. I hated much of it at first, but adored Connor, so huh? God, I'm useless tonight.
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:23 pm (UTC)
You know, I used to HAAAAAAAATE Season 4. With a fiery hot yadda yadda. Then it hit me. Now, I just LOVE it. There's way too much going on in it, sure, but when you focus on a particular storyline, it's wonderful. (They really needed about 8 more episodes to flesh everything out, imo.)

And hello!! (Was there fic while I was out of town? I have something Kita wrote bookmarked for tonight... I'll go look. I enjoy your fic, yes I do.)
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Jul. 27th, 2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
I would love to hear your Connor thoughts. And I love on your Connor love. (Although much like Sue, I have no interest in seeing his skinny, naked tush. Which is a shame since VK seems to enjoy removing his pants.)
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
Ooooh, good. I'm finishing up all the Connor/Angel arcs tonight with Season 5 - I expect to bawl some more as I haven't been able to bring myself to watch NFA - it'll be over, you know?

And I just spammed your journal, I AM SO SORRY. :)
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Jul. 27th, 2006 09:22 pm (UTC)
You know they created a whole community to discuss religious themes in the Jossverse? Hie thee to churchofjoss and post them suckers!
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes, I did know that! I joined right away. But I also know that a lot of folks don't enjoy the Holtz or the Connor...

But yes - I planned on posting there, because that is RIGHT up my alley!!
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Jul. 27th, 2006 09:28 pm (UTC)
You're cute when you're lame.
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
Heeeeeee!!! Then I must be cute ALL THE TIME.

I am quite the dork.
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:42 pm (UTC)
The sniffing remark reminds me of the Badfic panel... "::sniff sniff:: I can smell you, Pet. You want it..."

Ew. Just a whole world of EW.
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:50 pm (UTC)
Ahahaha!! RIGHT. Just... how is that sexy? That makes me feel like I need to get intimate with a bar of Dial soap.

Okay, that could REALLY be taken the wrong way!
Jul. 27th, 2006 09:47 pm (UTC)
OMG! I never really thought about it before now but I totally bet my hetcest kink comes from Luke/Leia and He-Man/She-Ra. It's amazing how we sometimes miss the obvious. I, too, loved those pairings as a kid. And I didn't care that they were siblings, it just seemed what was meant to be. I had previously blamed Flowers in the Attic for my obsession but Star Wars and She-Ra definitely came earlier for me. I hate love you for helping me see this about myself.

You're referencing Dante! I adore you more and more. Bless you, sweetie!

Finally, Vincent is really cute in person, so tiny!
Jul. 27th, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
I know, right?? George "I hate irritating sand" Lucas is TOTALLY TO BLAME for our love of Flowers in the Attic and beyond!!

Bless your heart. Heh.

VK is so pretty. (Tiny? As in bird bones tiny? He doesn't seem short - like 5'10? Now, keep in mind that I like my men over 6'3"...)
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Jul. 27th, 2006 09:55 pm (UTC)


Connor does nothing for my pants...or my sweaters, or my shoes - but I'm interested in him in that he was a character in a show I loved and I'm definitely interested in your thoughty thoughts because they will be interesting I am sure. I really don't hate Connor at all, he just doesn't blow the wind up my skirt in a tingly kind of way - but that'll be because he has tiny little ineffectual girly lungs so he can't get any kind of airflow going without passing out. But the acting and the hurting and the OTP of Angel as Dad with his son and the hurting and the acting and the waaahh.

In conclusion: poor Connor.

The girly boy
Jul. 27th, 2006 10:08 pm (UTC)
HAHAHAHAHAHHA!! Seriously. Next time we hang out, instead of me puking? I'm going to cut you. WE'LL SEE IF YOU CAN STILL COMPARE ME TO AUDREY HEPBURN THEN!! "The Audrey Hepburn of knife-fighters, Sue!"

And yes, my thoughts are not of a sexy nature (well, they ARE, but those won't be on display), but just how deeply religious/non-religious that whole arc is. I mean, HOLTZ. Come on!
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Jul. 27th, 2006 10:15 pm (UTC)
There will be no crying shame. None. I always cry when Buffy gets the Class Protector award, and just the other day I totally sobbed through the last 30 minutes of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.


HAHAHA my knife will kill you all!

I have the Connor love. I especially have the Connor love when Wesley or Spike is taking advantage of him.
Jul. 27th, 2006 10:18 pm (UTC)
I AM A TOTAL BAWLBABY. Some times. (Okay, I cry easily for movies/books, there. i've admitted to being a titty-baby.)


Oooooh, yes. There's hardly ANY Wes/Connor out there. It's a hard sell for me, but if it's someone good? Yes, please. (Angel/Connor sicko RIGHT HERE. Or Connor/Faith, GOOD GOD.)
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Jul. 27th, 2006 10:19 pm (UTC)
TEELA. Hee heeeeee! Fucking TEELA. How many people do we know in Mexia named Teela? None, but you get my point. Hahaha!

Bless her heart.
Jul. 27th, 2006 10:58 pm (UTC)
I love Connor. Ignore the haters. People are meeting Vinnie. Jesus evrybody is meeting somebody. My bestest flister just met Hayden and another girl met guys from SN. Damn I want to meet somebody.

PS Your son sounds adorable.
PSS He-Man was so into Man At Arms aka Duncan
Jul. 27th, 2006 11:10 pm (UTC)
HEEEEE!!! No, no Man At Arms was his fall-back buddy when Skeletor denied his advances, come on!! Poor Duncan - pining for Prince Adam, and knowing all along that He-Man's heart belonged to another...

I may be crying with laughter right now, I'm not sure.

(OH GOD. Met Hayden???? Jesus H. I have no idea why I've not written Hayden/Vincent... Wait: because my HEAD WOULD EXPLODE, THAT'S WHY!!)
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Jul. 28th, 2006 12:56 am (UTC)
Ew! Nostril plugs are skeevy! Even if you DON'T need to breathe!
Jul. 28th, 2006 01:03 am (UTC)
The whole scent-tracking thing ALL THE TIME IN FIC is what's skeevy!

Now, I'd like to see Spike let those nose hairs grow out, give them a nice braid with some beads on them... Pretty! *g*
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Jul. 28th, 2006 01:28 am (UTC)
Heeeee!! Over in Jess's journal I linked to a video of He-man and Duncan rocking out to 4 Non Blondes with a disco ball and everything. HEEE! There's a video somewhere (from The Daily Show, I think) where they cropped a video of various scenes from He-Man and it's the GAYEST THING EVER.

Like, Gayer than Anakin/Obi-Wan, and their love is CANON! :)

<33333 to you.
Jul. 28th, 2006 02:09 am (UTC)
um, pardon me, i have a deep deep connor love. postpostpost those notes baybee!
Jul. 28th, 2006 02:13 am (UTC)
*cries* YES YOU DO!!

I will, I will. I'm getting ready to watch NFA (omg, hold me!) and tomorrow... THERE WILL BE LOVE!
Jul. 28th, 2006 02:10 am (UTC)
I have much love for Connor. He is such an awesome character. I'd love to read your notes!! *g*
Jul. 28th, 2006 02:15 am (UTC)
YAY!! It always seems like there's about four of us that do. I make posts about him and the majority are people giving me the stink eye, which, WHERE YOU RAISED IN A BARN?? IN *MY* JOURNAL YOU SNEER?? Obviously not YOU you, the general Connor hating you. Hee!

And WriterCon makes me want to write VK RPS again... Mmmmmm. I'm so baddirtywrong inside. >:D
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Jul. 28th, 2006 03:12 am (UTC)
*pets Connor*

*but totally not in a sexual way*

I just love that Connor icon! Anytime I wrote him (which was so long ago), I always treated him right. I so wanted to give him hugs, in a motherly way.
Jul. 28th, 2006 12:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah, you did! Man, it's good to remember not everyone hates him, or thinks he's gross!

(This whole "telling people to not put him down in my journal" thing was a good idea! *g*)
Jul. 28th, 2006 04:27 am (UTC)
I was always a She-Ra girl, and didn't really think of it as a fannish thing because it is compartmentalized in my brain as Symbol Of My Childhood. Which is different from Fannish Things. However, two days ago my roommate pointed out the gayness of He-Man and Eternia - and I discovered that I like He-Man a lot better when I read it that way. ;)
Jul. 28th, 2006 12:05 pm (UTC)
Heeeeeeeee!! I mean, let's just start with He-Man's HAIR. That's a blow-out if I ever saw one. *g*

(And same here!!)
Jul. 28th, 2006 04:41 am (UTC)
And I would really like to see in a story how Spike puts wax plugs in his nostrils because Buffy has the hots for Angel, hence the blocking of her scent. (The constant sniffing thing skeevs me out, people.)

Hee! While i can't offer you that, I can offer Buffy wishing she could catch and keep a cold for a couple of weeks just so she wouldn't be able to smell the sex Xander and Spike are having. *g*

I was firmly in the Chewy/Han camp and loathed Leia for breaking them up. *g*
Jul. 28th, 2006 12:02 pm (UTC)
Heeeeee!!!! Poor Yoda - why do you want to take his love away?

YAY! I'll be reading that one today, yes ma'am! Smelling things is funny. *g*
Jul. 28th, 2006 05:15 am (UTC)
Oh, pleasepleaseplease post your notes at some point! I will eat them up with a spoon.
Jul. 28th, 2006 12:06 pm (UTC)
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Jul. 28th, 2006 12:07 pm (UTC)
UNGH, he is just DELICIOUS, Mar! (And a dirty boy. But he plays a good one soooo well. I just like it when he's achy, more.)
Jul. 28th, 2006 06:57 am (UTC)
Season 4 ripped my heart out. And I watched it all at once, because that's how I watched every season of Btvs and AtS -- by myself, on DVD, long after the parade had passed by. But I can't imagine having had to watch just one episode, then wait a week for the next. And if it was pre-empted for some lame-ass reason? * shudders *

Connor is a lovely thing, oh yes he is. But I didn't really get a tingle about him until I read this little beauty by Witling. It's a Vince/James RPS, very believable, very hot. And now I'm going to have to go back and watch Season 4 again, with new eyes on Connor this time.
Jul. 28th, 2006 12:10 pm (UTC)
ARGH - part of me likes the idea of learning about a show when it's finished and watching all at once, but it was SO gratifying for Tuesday to roll around and get a double shot of anticipation, then build up more for the next week.

But understanding story arcs and such isn't as easy, of course. And yes, ma'am, Witling writes some GOOD RPS. *cough* I have a fair bit, as well. If you ever needed some Connor/VK recs, why I know of several places to send you. *g*
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