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Erm... Yikes. Political Rant Ahoy!

First, I'm changing a little tracking detail in my LJ. Instead of changing colors for fonts to track my "health plan" I'll be inserting color bars. I know this means nothing to y'all, I'm just putting this out there in case you wonder what the Gay Pride pic is. :)

Now on to my rant. Aaaaaaaaaaaand commence to SCROLLING. Hahaha. While I'm terribly excited about Barak Obama potentially running for President (and the Dems have a woman and a Hispanic as contenders - go diversity!) I'm TERRIBLY WORRIED about Mitt Romney throwing his hat in the ring on the Republican side. Don't know who he is? Then clearly you're not from Massachusetts!



Full disclosure to any newbies out there: I am a former member of the Mormon Church. My family is one of the "old" Mormon families, very active in the church and serving in SLC as "General Authorities." (What a title, huh? I am an authority on, well... everything.) My family also contains members of the Fundamentalist sect of polygamists that are being accurately portrayed in the HBO show Big Love. I am also a registered Independent, and have a deep and unabiding hatred of the modern Republican party. Well, John McCain doesn't give me hives. Bob Dole seems like a decent sort, even if he is a curmudgeon. Full disclosure.

Also, D&C stands for Doctrine and Covenants, an open-source scripture held to be the word of God by the Mormon church. Basically, any time the President (prophet) speaks, it's the word of God. You can look things up here. *cough* You can also look up original versions here. Oh, what's that? God's word needed revisions? Noooo!

Now. Mitt Romney WAS (\o/) the governor of Massachusetts. According to anelith, a resident, he's a big fat liar. He wasn't going to push his "family values" agenda on the state, etc. And he did. The big question right now is will he govern from the pulpit if he is elected President? The short answer: hell yes, and be afraid.

I'll have to explain a few things about the Mormons for this to sink in. The LDS church (as it prefers to be called) believes fervently that Jesus Christ is the head of its church. He is living, breathing, and speaks regularly with the church's president, whom they believe is a prophet, just as Noah, Abraham and Moses were prophets. Let that sink in, because it's very important. What Moses commanded, what Abraham commanded, all the teachings and guidelines in the Bible are the tenets of faith and belief for Christians and are obeyed. You toe the line, in other words. That isn't debatable. So... if the head of the LDS church (the "prophet") commands the members to do something, by gum, they'll do it, or they'll be disobeying a direct commandment as sacred as "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

Blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood in the church, because they "carried the mark of Cain." The "prophet " received a revelation from God in the late 70s that this "commandment" could finally be done away with. That flaky god! This was a HUUUUUGE deal. A small group of people left the church over it. Which... doesn't say good things. BUT. Most members "prayed and found succor" in god's infinite wisdom and obeyed the commandment. Because if you are not following all the LDS church's commandments, you will suffer in the next life. (D&C 11:25) How?

You know those temples the church has? You can't just go into one. I certainly couldn't. Not every Mormon is allowed inside, either. You regularly have meetings with your local bishop (priest) and he interviews you with a series of questions, mostly pertaining to the commandments of the church. Are you obeying them? If not, you cannot have a "temple recommend," which is a pass allowing you inside the temple. Going to the temple and performing the rituals inside (baptism for people who have died, marriage and "sealing" ceremonies for people who have died) is a HUGE PART of an active Mormon's life. This enables you to climb the ladder, so to speak, and get "high up in the kingdom of god" aka, the top tier in heaven at God's literal feet. And maybe be so good and worthy that you can have your own planet and be god over it, too. (D&C 76 55, 59) It is your DUTY as a Mormon to help those who have died receive the blessings of the temple. While you and I might shake our heads at this, it's the very CORNERSTONE of the active Mormon's faith. (Faith without works is dead. D&C 22:2)

How does this affect Mitt Romney? Let's say he becomes President. *shudder* He - as an active member - cannot contradict the Mormon President. HE. CAN. NOT. (D&C 28: 6 "Thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the church.") Let's say there's a bill before Congress regarding benefits to gay partners. He can in NO GOOD CONSCIENCE allow that bill to not get a veto. The Mormon Church is VERY CLEAR that you are your sex BEFORE birth in the "pre-existence." And all that your sex entails, as in, you're a girl, you like boys, period, in God's name, amen. You are rife with sin, otherwise. Which, whatever. They are certainly entitled to their close-minded beliefs, even though I emphatically disagree. But this should not be LEGISLATED.

The church has been very clear that women belong home. WOMEN BELONG HOME. If you are a single mother, you should do your best, obviously, but as soon as you marry (because you should, or that pesky highest kingdom of god thing won't apply) you should STAY HOME and raise your children. While I agree that a parent being home benefits the children, SCREW YOU. No one puts baby in a corner. :)

More insidious, and something casual observers don't recognize is HOW OFTEN THE CHURCH CHANGES ITS STANCE. Joseph Smith, the founder and a Freemason - and who aped most of the Mason's rituals for the temple, but that's neither here nor there at this time - was a big proponent of blacks being full members of the church. Let me remind you that was back in 1832, when NO ONE respected blacks. That's to be commended. And he was the PROPHET of God. Who had God's word. Right? And... when did blacks get the right to be full members? Meaning, when were the heavens opened to them so they could have Eternal life? 1978. So... it was okay to oppose god's word on this one thing back in the day? o_0

Joseph Smith was also "told by god" to have plural wives, aka polygamy. But he wasn't supposed to tell anyone. Only a handful of men. Uh huh. And then in 1892, when Utah was facing being seized by the Federal government and all of their properties and holdings taken from them (and they were and still are a VERY wealthy organization) the prophet got a "revelation" from god saying they would no longer practice polygamy, now open up those federal coffers, kthx.

Oh, and the prophet John Taylor (my cousin's g-grandfather-in-law by marriage) pulled a few men aside and said, no, really god wanted them to keep on being polygamist, just shush about it and go to Southern Utah. And the FLDS chuch was born, and now we have Big Love talking about what's really going on down there. During Brigham Young's presidency, men could be "sealed" (a word which means essentially married for the eternities) to each other. That's... that's not even KNOWN now, because the church re-prints its books every time there's a policy change, and gives the members a new book, which becomes the Word. And they just take it. And it's never talked about again. *shrug*

Jesus has "told" the Mormons what to eat, how much to sleep (D&C 89), exactly how church service should be - and it's the EXACT SAME in any country, in any building (D&C 46), to not worry about their debts (D&C 111:5) - which, btw, Salt Lake City has the HIGHEST RATE of bankruptcy in the US. Jesus Christ has also given the people and specific bodyguards permission to hunt and kill people. (See: Mountain Meadows Massacre and Porter Rockwell.) He gave them a step-by-step plan for ridding your presence of an evil spirit, which was carried out TO THE LETTER in an ep of Big love, which makes me love that show even more. (D&C 24:15)

People laugh and boggle at Pres. George W. Bush's "fanatical" born again beliefs. The literal 6000 years age of the earth, that sort of thing. Well, the Mormons believe there were horses and steel and iron smelted in the US in pre-Columbian America (400 BC to 147 AD to be precise.) The original inhabitants, pre-dating the Myans and Incas, had paved roads, a form of government, HORSES... They're descendants of Jews that fled Jerusalem when the Romans rolled in, about 400 BC. I'll let you history buffs ponder that for a spell. Even though the DNA record shows NO CORRELATION between Native American Indians and Jews. The school BYU has a division dedicated to PROVING these claims, history be damned. My father's friend worked on the Ramses exhibit in the late 80s - he was a devout Mormon and BYU prof. - and they claimed the Egyptians had garments with the same markings the modern Mormon's garments have (those "holy underwear" you've heard about.) Proof that god is telling the Mormons the Right Way. (There were no "sacred garments" found on the mummies of ancient Egypt, beyond the ritual bindings, etc.) MIND BOGGLING.

It also states in the Book of Mormon (Alma 23, 3 Nephi 2) that Native Indians also bore the mark of Cain (dark skin) and when they repented and were good, they became white. THIS IS A BELIEF. Also, the Bible wasn't translated correctly (tell me something I don't know) and Joseph has a newer version that's right. And... has all sorts of bits inserted that confirm his new religion's teachings. But that's not suspect, is it? (D&C 93)

The end of the world is nigh, and the Second Coming will literally happen. But in a completely organized way. Jesus will arrive at Adam-ondi-Ahman, MISSOURI, and all the church leaders will know. (Incidentally, that's the site for the original Garden of Eden. With Adam. And Eve. LITERALLY THE LOCATION.) They will then pull their telephone trees and call their lists, informing all the righteous. (!!!) The devout and worthy priesthood holders (men) will go and receive Christ's instruction for how to wipe the earth clean. I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP. I have been to this spot on a church trip when I was a teen. WOW. Jesus tewtally is all about the organization for destruction. (Um, the DayTimer is a Mormon company. My uncle helped start it. 7 Habits of Highly Successful People, by Stephen Covey? Mormon. Jesus <3 ledgers!)

So... this could be your next President of the US. This could be the beliefs upheld (because again, he HAS TO or he won't obtain Celestial Glory in the highest kingdom of heaven) by the leader of the Free World. And you thought Dubya believed some wacky stuff. This could be the basis for policy decisions. He WILL confer with the Mormon President on decisions. He will make sure of it.

THIS FREAKS ME OUT.

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halfmoon_mollie
Jan. 23rd, 2007 04:41 pm (UTC)
and then there is Sam Brownback.

stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 04:45 pm (UTC)
DAMN are you a fast reader. Or skimmer extraordinaire! :D

YIKES with his "unborn child pain" act. YIKES. (Nevada has a democrat senator that's also Mormon, and he seems... better than most.)
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petzipellepingo
Jan. 23rd, 2007 04:48 pm (UTC)
Don't know who he is? Then clearly you're not from Massachusetts!
"cough" Or Michigan...
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 04:52 pm (UTC)
I'm unfamiliar with his Michigan connection! Oh, do tell!
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going_not_gone
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:00 pm (UTC)
Mormon beliefs=Freaky. Anybody who thinks this is not a wackjob cult hasn't actually taken a good look at it. I can't take it any more seriously than I take Scientology. Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard? Not so different.

I think people who are not familiar with LDS really need to know exactly what this "church" which tries to present itself as just another variation on mainstream Christianity is really all about, so thank you for posting this.


stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:57 pm (UTC)
The thing is, as a once-devout (and I'm talking going on a mission/married in the temple devout) Mormon, it's INSIDIOUS the way the church teaches it's followers to "look to god in all things." Translation: ignore the world and only listen/read/obey us.

So you don't KNOW. There's a history of persecution, so any opposite thought to the Church's teachings harkens up the days of old where men were dragged from their houses and killed in front of children.

...which isn't happening any more, so is moot, imo.
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dancetomato
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC)
This is an articulate, highly informative explanation for those of us who are not in the know (or those of us, like me, who know just enough to be scared beyond belief by these folks). For this act of charity and faithfulness, Jesus tells me that you will get 1,205.93 salvation points and a shot at winning a flaming chariot for all eternity.

Jesus also says to give me a pie, since he has decreed it National Pie Day. He said it has to be pumpkin, or that chariot will only be mildly gay instead.

Brava my darling, Stoney. *awaits pie*

p.s. I was not feeling like going to work, but now I'm all, "I get to go be a part of a sane, inclusive religious hierarchy! Yay God!"
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:54 pm (UTC)
DT, HOW is it possible that you knew I was making a pumpkin pie today in honor of Pie Day??!? (It would have been pecan, but I'm out.)

If you're interested, I've tagged all of my religion posts - they mostly concern the Mormon church and polygamy.

*totally does a cheerleader roll of pomppoms into a herkey for God* \o/

*squish*
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lynnenne
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:02 pm (UTC)
I have no words. It makes me so angry when Westerners have the nerve to complain about "religious fanatics" in other countries. The most fanatical leaders are right here at home. One of them is the Prime Minister of Canada. Thankfully he hasn't foisted any of his evangelical beliefs on the voters... yet. *shudders*

I hope Romney gets his ass royally kicked in the primaries.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)
He's getting backing from JERRY FALWELL. Which freaks me out. Because they'll help downplay the Mormonism. I worry that the Dems don't have the guts to go after that, because they'll be perceived once again as godless hedonists, or the like.

And yeah - religious terrorism. ALbeit with a smile and a jello-fruit dish. :D
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aimeelicious
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:12 pm (UTC)
I find all of your posts regarding the Mormon church really fascinating, particularly because you are quite good about providing references and context, for which I am eternally *cough* grateful.

During Brigham Young's presidency, men could be "sealed" (a word which means essentially married for the eternities) to each other.

What a scintillating tidbit! We humans are always changing our minds, even when it's "God's word".

Thanks so much for this information about Mitt Romney, and the implications of a potential presidency by a serious follower of the LDS order. I had no idea.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)
Oh, yeah, references are KEY. If I can ever get my scanner to work, I'll scan in the old text that gave men permission to be sealed.

Gay Marriage started in the Mormon church. HAHAHAHAHA. *is killed by sekrit police*
slasheuse
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:14 pm (UTC)
Didn't know you were an Independent! Like. How does that work? Because over here, while we have independent candidates, we don't have an indepdent party, so I don't think you can "register" as one. *curious*
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
There is an Independent Party here in the US. I can't vote in Democratic or Republican primaries as a result, which sucks. Mostly because there aren't a lot of people who run under third parties because our politics are flawed. :D

Your party being declared mostly refers to primaries - the singling out of tickets for the final vote.
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julia_here
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:22 pm (UTC)
(Mutters about registering to edit the Wiki, which is full of misspellings and redundancies).

I've got a store of resons not to vote for Mitt Romney none of which have to do with his Mormonism, but am suspicious of Mormons (as a group, more than individuals) on principle. There's stuff like hearing the oldest woman I knew as a child complain about her mother's sewing machine being stolen when they had to lighten their wagon load; they'd wrapped the whole pile of gear in a spare canvass and wrote their name on the package, but it was picked through and the canvas replaced when they got back. I was waiting to hear stories like that from the Antiques Roadshow experts when they were in SLC and piles of early 19th century Pennsylvania furniture showed up.

Julia, thing about living in a historically unchurched NW is the LDS incursion has been very visible
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
For the most part, Mormons individually are good, solid folks. They believe in putting their heads down and having loads of food on hand. :) (Not to mention the whole Charity being a part of their daily lives, which is refreshing.) But the Church is what upsets me with its subterfuge and CYA nature.
sweetumms33
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:22 pm (UTC)
This is really interesting, I never knew a lot about Mormons (beyond stereotypes) so thanks for this. As for Romney, I go to school in Boston right now, and his track record the last few years has not been impressive. The Big Dig turned into a national debacle. I really don't think he's going to be running, he's not as well liked as say the old mayor of New York.

Again thanks for the info, some serious food for thought
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
I've posted several times about this, if you're interested. They're all tagged under Mormon or religion. :)
stephanierb
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:30 pm (UTC)
Mitt Romney is the governor of Massachusetts.

As anelith already mentioned, he is no longer our governor. THANK GOD.

Also, I heard somewhere that Romney is not only an active member of the LDS church, but he was/is a bishop. Now, I don't know much about how that works in the Mormon church, but I would assume one would have to be very devout and very obedient in order to attain that position.

Thanks for the informative post. I read "Under the Banner of Heaven" last year and was completely enthralled. It touched on many, but not all of the issues you mention and was a great read. Months prior to that, my friend and I had traveled out west and drive through, and I believe at one point stopped at, Colorado City and St. George. At the time I had no idea that those places had such high populations of FLDS members. Very strange religion and totally out there. It must be nice to legitimize your wandering eye by claiming God told you it was okay. That's some scary stuff.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, yeah. I lived in St. George for a few years. My BFF's mother started a grass-roots effort to bring girls out of Hilldale (Colorado City) and help them escape their polygamist lives. To say I'm interested in this topic is an understatement. :D

And yes, to be a bishop basically means that you are the local "reverend" or "priest" of your parish. God has selected you for that "calling" and you serve for an indeterminate amount of time. I think he was also a Regional President (the equivalent of a Cardinal in the Catholic church.) O_O
thebratqueen
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:42 pm (UTC)
I DO NOT SCROLL PAST YOUR RANTS OMG!
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:07 pm (UTC)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh, Barb. I miss you. I can't wait for the Mother of the Year FALLOUT on Big Love, omg.
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liz_marcs
Jan. 23rd, 2007 05:48 pm (UTC)
*sigh* Editing for errors. Third time's the charm.
Not just a big fat liar, but a fucking useless big fat liar to boot.

Let's just say that the People's Republic of Massachusetts was so happy to see the back of him, that his former lieutenant governor had her ass kicked by an African-American, unapologetically liberal Democrat in a state that has (surprisingly) traditionally practiced a bizarre form of homegrown checks and balances by electing a Democratic legislature and a Republican governor.

Then Romney turns around and bashes the very people that elected him to his "stepping stone" governorship in the first place. OOoooooo, so not smart. Especially since there are so many people in this state that are already willing to call him a useless, lying, sack of shit.

Personally, I don't think the religious right nutjobs are gonna let Romney go too far in the primaries. Honestly? I don't see him getting even close to the White House.

As for people who are willing to overlook the Mormon part (which I agree is a huge mistake to do so, but not being Mormon, people wouldn't accept that statement from me), as one recent editorial put it: "The sort of people who don't care whether a candidate is Mormon are the sort of people who live in Massachusetts," the same people Mitt's been dissin' out on his little ol' campaign trail.

Yeah, fuck you too, Mitt. And go to hell.

You'll be interested to know that Jesus's General (another ex-Mormon) has also been all over Mitt and the Mormons.

I can't wait until Asshole Major goes down in flames. I can't wait.
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thepiratequeen
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
During Brigham Young's presidency, men could be "sealed" (a word which means essentially married for the eternities) to each other.

!!!!

????

stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:11 pm (UTC)
*nods* YEP.

Brigham Young was questioned about it, too, and just shrugged. Mostly it was for a Journeyman type relationship with a younger "Saint." But it was certainly used to legitimize relationships of a sexual nature, which was what Young was asked and was cavalier about.

DOOD. Most people outside of Utah, who don't have "old families" don't even know about this, as all the documentation was changed to erase this fact, and the temple records stored in a hidden part of the Church's offices.
moosesal
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:05 pm (UTC)
Well, John Cain doesn't give me hives.
Did you mean McCain? Or is this someone I don't know of?

Anyway, I love your LDS posts because they're so informative. That you provide references is just awesome. This was really interesting because I think it is important to at least give thought to a politician's religion before electing her/him. An elected official is supposed to represent her/his constituency and I think that for some people they can certainly separate their personal beliefs from their political actions (abortion comes to mind -- their are certainly politicians who are personally opposed, but believe it's not govt.'s place to make that decision for women thank goodness). But some religions don't make it possible for their members to separate their beliefs from their actions. LDS certainly seems to be the Latter. *groan*bad pun, sorry*groan*
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:14 pm (UTC)
I did mean McCain, I'll fix that. I was SHAKING when I typed this, I was so angry. (There was an article about Mitt in our paper this morning, and it got my back up.)

Heh - the references are what make it CRAZY! It's in their scripture! The crazy... Wow.

Hee to your pun. And you know, how much has Bush separated his Last Days religion from HIS policies? Not much. The belief that the earth will be cleansed with fire and water (which the Mormons also believe) means you don't have to be as responsible with the environment, because God's gonna fix it in twenty years. That's just so irresponsible, I can't even BREATHE.
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domenowtrent
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)
In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen, Sistah Stoney.

As a former resident of Missouri, I know all about Adam-ondi-Ahman. In fact- we took a Youth Conference trip to all of the church historical sites in MO, and my sister's friend came with us. The next month she was baptized and until last semester was my roommate at BYU. And while Adam-ondi-Ahman is huge, I don't think all the members could fit on that feild.... Hahaha. Just thought about how easy it'd be to kill them all if they were all in the same location.

I am really rooting for Obama. :D
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:16 pm (UTC)
Ahahahahahaha. Amen.

And yeah - we went to Adam-ondi-Ahman on a youth trip, too, and it's just CRAZY. There's the garden of eden! Where mankind began! All... the way... in ... Missouri? HUH?? THE CRADLE OF LIFE.

"I just thought about how easy it'd be to kill them all if they were all in the same location." Heeeeeeeee! Oh, but only the GA, the 12, and the regional presidents will be there. THey'll go back to their hotel rooms and call the stake presidents, who will call their bishoprics, who will call the Elder's Quorum president, who will... And we'll all know to roll out our 2 year supply because it's ON like RED DAWN.

O_O
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knotted_rose
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:25 pm (UTC)
I was actually aware of a lot of the Mormon stuff, but I didn't know about the online searchable reference. Thanks for that! And I always appreciate your rants, as you tend to rant about things that you're well-informed about.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:30 pm (UTC)
Ha! Well, it wouldn't do to spout off about something I didn't know anything about, which... I just described the majority of wank online, didn't I?

:)
a2zmom
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC)
At one time, I would have said no way in hell could someone like this get elected. No, I have no idea.

The problem is, the dems better figure out what they're doing.

Hiliary is way too polarizing. Considering between 30-40% of the population hate her on sight, she doesn't have a chance in hell.

And Obama? First off, a good portion of the country will be convinced he's secretly an Arab terrorist, so there's that. Plus he looks to be about 20 years old, not exactly confidence inspiring. And most damaging, he has no real experiance. Come back in eight years or so when you have some serious time under your belt.

My fear is we'll wind up with Ralph Nadar, who's a nutjob.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 06:36 pm (UTC)
I think - and this is the impression I get from people I know, and a lot of them are REpublicans around me - Barak is refreshing. They LIKE that he's a new guy, because he doesn't have the stink of corruption on him. I hope that holds true.

And yeah - I don't know that Mitt going a long way is such a long shot. Which is terrifying. He's an asshole.
darlas_mom
Jan. 23rd, 2007 07:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, you make me so glad my mother became officially pagan when I was about six and I didn't end up growing up Mormon! She actually was baptized as a Mormon when I was three. I can't remember the church, but I remember seminary when I was a teenager and I did one year at a Mormon private school called Benjamin Franklin Academy. (It'll come as no surprise to you that the school went bankrupt and closed the year I left)

The sad thing is that I didn't know half of this stuff and most of my non-religious friends look to me as a Mormon expert, which means that they don't really know about how kooky Mormonism really is. (Though I think I managed to convey it a little with the baptisms for the dead and trying to explain the Telestial, Terrestrial and Celestial)

I'm sure he won't make it past the preliminaries, but you never know. However, if he makes it, and Hillary and Obama don't, I think I'm gonna end up writing Samuel L. Jackson in on my ballot.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 07:20 pm (UTC)
I hope Mitt doesn't make it past the preliminaries and Hillary/Obama don't! Man, that would be worse than the past two elections! *shudders*

I don't think a lot of people (INCLUDING MORMONS) know the history, which amuses me to no end that Joseph Smith's ultimate biography is entitled "No Man Knows My History." Ahem.
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xochitl42
Jan. 23rd, 2007 07:14 pm (UTC)
This is the most informative, and terrifying, post I have read in a long while. [blink]

(PS: I am not avoiding your SB/HP fic because i don't like it--it's just--I can't beleiev I'm gonna admit this--I haven't gotten around to readnig HP6 yet [and dont' worry; Entertainment Weekly spoiled Mr. Dumbledore for me within weeks of the book being published]!)
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 07:16 pm (UTC)
I've posted before about the Mormon church (tagged on each post) if you're interested.

[And don't worry about it, sugar-booger! So far it's not spoilery for Book 6, I'm just covering my bases. Hahahahaha. SQUIDS.]

<3
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demonqueen666
Jan. 23rd, 2007 07:56 pm (UTC)
...AAACK. My country scares me.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 07:59 pm (UTC)
BE SURE TO VOTE! And bring, like, fifty people with you. :D
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stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 09:43 pm (UTC)
:O

I'm not the terrifying one!
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essene
Jan. 23rd, 2007 11:27 pm (UTC)
Preach it!
Whilst the US is crazy, we're not THAT crazy. I think Bush has so badly bruised the conservative stance that it's not going to be all healed and pretty enough for the general public to take to the ball in 2008. Romney rode the coat tails to get his 2002 election and there are no longer any tails or even tatters to ride.

He's sooooooooooooooooo not going to be our next president. Main reason? r-o-m-n-e-y doesn't spell Obama.

Now that that's over with, here's the real reason I'm here: TO SQUISH YOU UP AND PUT YOU IN MY POCKET!

I'm so in love with you right now! Can I tell you how amazing it is to see a former Mormon so staunch about laying open the crazy that is the LDS religion? *kisses you and smooshes you more*

I grew up in Southern Utah. I had a friend leave school in 6th grade to get married. Found out later she was the man's 5th wife. I had to defend myself ALL through school as to why--OMG! You've got to come to sacrament meeting with us! Come to seminary! Come to the youth dance! Here, have this BoM!--I wouldn't convert. My best friend baptized my father after he died (still pisses me off to this day), and is now 31 with 5 children, is a temple mormon and stay at home mom with a huge stockpile of goods in the basement. I love her, but she's crazy--all because of Mormonism.

I just...can't put into words how delighted I am that you aren't Mormon anymore--and spreading the word! I know that seems like an odd statement, but there ya go.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 11:33 pm (UTC)
Re: Preach it!
I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE FROM THERE. Holy crap, I lived in tha George, yo! Where you from home skillet? (I know that state like the back of my hand. My dad's fam is from Spanish Fork to Roy. *g*)

And she baptized your DAD?? Dude. There's no end to the pissing off with that one. UGH. The Jewish faith is STILL harassing the Church to lay off the Holocaust victims!

And no, I know JUST what you mean about spreading the word. *squishes you up* There's such a fear put into members. "It's not secret, it's sacred." No, it's a fucking secret that when you go through the temple for your endowments, an old woman oils her hands and touches your boobs. That's fucking weird. God doesn't need her touching me to prepare me to marry my husband, thanks.

But it's not allowed to explore outside the church's teachings, they fire staff at BYU for digging deeper like it's nothing, and it ANGERS ME. GAAAAAAH. *calls the rage police*
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kaygrr
Jan. 23rd, 2007 11:27 pm (UTC)
I went to a conservative Baptist high school and I came out of it convinces that LDS teachings were wacky-bad-wrong. After I graduated, I started to wonder if that was more propaganda I'd been handed, like that Democrats and poor people were bad and that I'd actually fallen for it. So I picked up a few books, did some reading, and LDS teachings moved to the holy shit scary-wacky-bad-wrong. I've got issues with most religions, but the LDS church is one I'll actually get a little het up over.

I had been comfortably complacent that surely Romney doesn't stand a chance because he's gonna have to go for the conservative vote and the conservative Christians will mutter about polytheism and vote for someone else. Then I scrolled through your post and the comments and eep. If he's in good standing with the LDS Church then everyone should be freaked out.
stoney321
Jan. 23rd, 2007 11:42 pm (UTC)
I'm guessing the stuff you heard was "The Godmakers?" Because no... the church does believe that. you can be a god if you obtain the highest level in the highest kingdom of god. o_0

Yeeeeeeeah. It's a bunch of wackadoodle.

I'm really REALLY hoping that Romney gets called out for his beliefs and how he can't in all good conscience make policies that would challenge them. I'm REALLY REALLY HOPING.

(And he's in EXCELLENT standing with the Church. He's trying to deflect questions about it, which hopefully won't work for the long haul.)
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my_daroga
Jan. 24th, 2007 12:31 am (UTC)
Wow. Just... wow. I'd heard some of that before, and I automatically dislike Mitt Romney, but I didn't know he was LDS. I don't think we need to worry about him. I don't think. Because most people think Mormons are weird. (Though not as weird as agnostics, I'm sure, so I'm s.o.l. in terms of Presidential consideration.) And remember how it was a big thing for a Catholic to get elected?

But still. The fact that people with beliefs like this get a majority vote is amazing. Of course, there are figures which put my beliefs in the 9% of Americans range, so I guess I'm a crazy minority, too. But I'm also, you know, rational. Except for that god thing. Remember the hearings in Contact where Ellie is considered unfit because she doesn't believe what most people on Earth do? Damn them.

So here's what I really want to ask, because it's trivial and surely the most exciting aspect of your post--you approve of Big Love, and think I should watch it?

stoney321
Jan. 24th, 2007 12:43 am (UTC)
Oh, in regards to your comment up there, you don't HAVE to register for a party anywhere in the US, I just have. If you want to be involved in primaries, you must, however.

And YES YES YES - Big Love is a terrific show, well acted, well written. I was very nervous at first, thinking it was going to glorify polygamy. It has done the opposite. (I've posted about it many times, all linked with Mormon and Polygamy tags, if you're so inclined.)
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