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Tongue firmly in cheek.

I was all prepared to go off on a Denis Miller-esque rant this morning, and then I flubbed while wearing my "Rocket Scientist" t-shirt (asked a grocer how much something cost when there was a massive sign overhead with the price. DERR.) and am laughing at myself too hard to be perturbed any more. But I will post a snarky poll under a cut to get my message across, because I enjoy the snark.

Poll #1001850 Basic Social Skills Primer

I [the poll taker] am aware of your [the OP] love for a specific character on a show. I:

make fun of you, because I think that character is disgusting.
go into a long detailed discussion about how wrong you are for liking said character.
remember that this is YOUR journal, not mine, and scroll on by.
ask you why you like said character and interact, feeling comfortable by your demeanor to view - politely - my opposing thoughts.

I [the poll taker] have come across a post in someone else's journal that I haven't interacted with detailing their love of a show. I have not watched the show, nor care for the moments I've seen. I:

tell you that all people who are brilliant disagree with you. And that I don't like the show anyway.
go into detail as to why you should not be wasting your time on said show.
scroll past, because again, I [the poll taker] do not care for the show.
post in my own journal my own thoughts, because it's my journal. It would be inappropriate to sneer at someone in their own journal.

I have read a post where you [Stoney] are going on and on and on and on about how awesome Connor is. I [the poll taker] can't stand the twerp. I:

comment with "EWWWWW."
comment with "I don't know why you like that little twerp."
scroll on by, because see: I DON'T LIKE HIM, and you [stoney] clearly do.
scroll past your post, then talk in my journal, as is my right, about things *I* like and don't like, including that little twerp, Connor.

I [the poll taker] believe that I have the right to say what I want:

anywhere in any public post. (But you don't have the right to challenge me.)
in my journal. (After all, it's my personal space, I can do what I want.)
whoa, whoa whoa. What's this bandying about the word "right" like we're talking slavery and oppression?
unless it's screaming "FIRE" in a movie theater. Come on.
in anything publicly posted. You [the opposing view] have the shared right to disagree with me whenever, where ever.
in a public forum where opinions are welcome, like a discussion forum.
as long as I'm not being an asshat. If I'm being an asshat, I *should* stop, suck it up, say I'm sorry, and go post my own thoughts in my own space.

How much wood can a woodchuck chuck? (If a woodchuck could chuck wood?)

a hectare.
four split logs.
one long faggot of sticks (that's an actual measurement)
3 barelycorns
Stoney, did you forget breakfast and are zooming on too much coffee?

*cough* I've been getting comments like this for a few years. DUDE. What the hell, people?

In other news, Big Love!! I have crazy love for that show, even though I think it's a misstep that the Henricksons don't wear garments. I mean, they WERE LDS, even though they've clearly gone off into fundamentalism. (Which is more common that you might think.) [ETA] WHAT THE HELL, LJ??? It just screwed up all that I wrote to the point that I have no idea what I was even TRYING to say. BAH. Show = good. I had issues with a few things that most people won't care about. WHATEVER. *grumpy as shit, now*

I just finished a re-telling of Dorothy Allred Solomon's memoir about growing up in a major polygamist family (her father was murdered by a rival "prophet") and I found it interesting how much she redacted in her second book. The original, "In My Father's House," was pulled from the shelves, incidentally. Taken out were her husband's experiment with polygamy after promising her to be monogamous, in addition to a bout of wife-swapping during the sexual revolution after Vietnam. *cough* She and her husband are active LDS members now, and I wonder if that has anything to do with her "remembering things correctly with the passage of time?" Uh huh. Also, the story itself is compelling, but the over-wrought imagery that all of these LDS (and ex-LDS) writers use wears me out. But the story is fascinating.

I have loads of writing I need to do today. This is both a good and bad thing. :) However, I did just fill my freezer with popcicles, so... Life is pretty sweet over all.


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Jun. 12th, 2007 03:39 pm (UTC)

I have big love for "Big Love." Let's take a moment to admire my oh-so-witty skills.

Also, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?!? Is that some kind of crazy Mormom talk?!? STONEY, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
Jun. 12th, 2007 03:46 pm (UTC)
DUDE, I had several paragraphs about Big Love and mormonism under a cut, and LJ spew back out some garbeldygook that made NO SENSE. I mean, I couldn't even un-code the weirdness to see what the hell the actual WORDS had been. UNCOOL, LJ. UNCOOL.
Jun. 12th, 2007 03:49 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched the show in question so I have no opinion....

Just stopped by to say sometimes I liked Connor and sometimes I didn't but hey....not everyone liked Lindsey either so it's all good.

And VK...rawrrrrrr.

Jun. 12th, 2007 03:52 pm (UTC)
I very much liked Lindsey on the show, for the record. I'm just not always into him in fanfic. *shrugs* But if you had posted a love-post about Lindsey, say, I wouldn't comment with a "what the hell are you thinking?" comment or my "EWWWW" icon and that statement, you see.

I don't get why people don't know that stuff. (I used to get that every time I made a Connor post! o_0)

Jun. 12th, 2007 04:01 pm (UTC)
*nods* Uh fucking huh, exactly.

I've had a few nasty Lindsey-related comments left for me like that from time to time. I just don't let them bother me any more or defend my opinions, except to say that they *are* mine.

And I don't comment in someone else's lj when I see people rag on other characters that I like, let's say..Riley..for example.

Hell, everyone's allowed to think what they will. I'd just prefer it if they did so politely.
Jun. 12th, 2007 04:11 pm (UTC)
Oh, man the CHARACTER HATE. Okay, everyone and their opinion = entitled, yes. but why go through the trouble of spewing your OWN hate into a post where someone is talking with affection? What's the purpose??

(Oooh, and I love me some Riley, too. I love just about every character Joss created. Some I'm meh about, but I love 99% of them, you know? Sheesh.)

And I'm a huge proponent of speaking your mind in your journal. Why shit on someone in theirs? I wonder if people just don't understand that they're doing it, or in some cases, where they're trying to convince you to think like they do (as happened to me a few years back.)
Jun. 12th, 2007 04:31 pm (UTC)
Character hate, yeah. I love 99% of the characters Joss created too, including Angel (just not always). I'd like to say I haven't felt some hate but I have.

The difference is, I don't go into someone else's journal and post "Angel is a cold-blooded, murdering asshole." on their Angel-love-fest....which would just be so rude (even if I think it).

I'd go post that thought in MY journal, where it belongs, if I felt the need. And erm....I have posted such in mine. And recived ugly replies, as well as well-thought out ones.

I'm not sure why people do that. It's like your opinions offend them to the Nth degree and they just *have* to comment on it. Then they go all bat-shit crazy sometimes if you disagree with what they tell you. Which is just so rude.


Oh and nice icon! Just seems to fit Connor, doesn't it? Always the outsider looking in and he wants so very much to belong but he's his own worst enemy and...

Kinda like Lindsey.


Jun. 12th, 2007 04:00 pm (UTC)
I don't know what this "Big Love" show is...

But I do so love your poll. Heee!
However, you left off choices!!! What if I LIKE Connor, but for different reasons than you, and post about that in my journal linking back to yours? See, totally an option.

And asshattery in someone else's journal is just, well, shitty. >:{
*Is not an asshat*
Jun. 12th, 2007 04:08 pm (UTC)
Big Love is a show about a fundamentalist LDS family (read: polygamist) trying to make it on their own without succumbing to the weirdness of the polygamist clans of the West. It's on HBO and is very clever and intriguing. The first season is out on DVD, and the second season premiered last night. :D

And hahahaha, I KNOW you like Connor!! But I was making a point, you see. (And yes, I SO SHOULD HAVE put in an option of "Connor? Did someone say Connor? *drooool*" My faux pas. Heh.)
Jun. 12th, 2007 04:20 pm (UTC)
I can't help but laugh with you sometimes! You're so funny! *hearts*

also, *drools over your icon, cuz DAYAM!*
Jun. 12th, 2007 04:17 pm (UTC)
I didn't answer the third one because there was no "i don't care" ticky-box. ;-)

But, seriously, dude. Do people, like, go out of their way to be asshats or something.

Although, to be fair, I never disliked any character on AtS, even when I wanted to strangle them or slap them silly. Oddly enough, I feel nothing but Beeg Wuv for Connor, the screwed up little puppy.
Jun. 12th, 2007 04:21 pm (UTC)
Some people do go out of their way (I'm often accused of that, which is puzzling to me) but I think some people just... don't get that they're DOING it.

And yeah - there are times I'm upset with a character, but that's because I love the show (and the people in it) so much that I care what they're doing - that's good storytelling, imo. And man, it should be well documented by now how much I love me some Connor. Oh, break my heart, kiddo. *holds him*
Jun. 12th, 2007 04:43 pm (UTC)

Jun. 12th, 2007 05:36 pm (UTC)
No one this time, I used that as an example of what I'm talking about since - up until the 5 Things fic I wrote - I used to get "eww, I hate Connor" comments on my Connor posts. O_O

People can just be thick sometimes, sheeeeesh.
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Jun. 12th, 2007 05:38 pm (UTC)
No, not at all. Funnily, I wrote that 5 Things Connor gen-fic and people who hated Connor finally stopped telling me about it. Which, YAY. I didn't want to hear it then, I don't want to hear it now. (I've gotten poopy comments to posts where I'm clearly infatuated with something, and have seen those around LJ lately and just boggle at the mindset that thinks doing so is a-ok.)

Ooooh. So. Is that an anti-rec? Or read it and know I'm going to feel dismal because it's well done?
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Jun. 12th, 2007 05:47 pm (UTC)
Your emo lawn icon made me laugh out loud.

I forgot to tape "Big Love!" *runs to HBO.com to see when it airs again*
Jun. 12th, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)
Well, I love laughing at myself, you see. Oh my gosh, someone doesn't like what I liiiiiike! *cuts* :D

I think it comes on tonight or tomorrow?
Jun. 12th, 2007 06:12 pm (UTC)
You left off for #3 "I will lovingly support you because I'm sure to have my own wacky crush someday."

OMG, Stoney. The other day one of my brother in law's friends came by to see him on the construction site and he was so incredibly hot, in a wholesome carpentery way and had unbuttoned his shirt enough to catch the breeze and his chest hair as he and Rob chatted and had cold water. His golden curly against lightly tanned golden skin chest hair. Man, it was hard not to just stare and stick my hand in his shirt. ::drools:: And lick him.
Jun. 12th, 2007 06:37 pm (UTC)
HEEEEEEE!! (I mean, I'm not into SGA, but do I tell you that you're watching a show I think is dumb? Um, to clarify, I do not think the show is dumb. I have no opinion on said show.)

OoooooOOooooooOOooooh. I am in love with this construction worker carpentery hot ass with the lightly tanned golden skin YESSSS. I think you should have stuck your hand in his shirt and drooled. You could claim to be "tetched" and gotten a quick feel! HAHAHAHAHA! <3
Jun. 12th, 2007 06:25 pm (UTC)
I don't really have a comment on any of the stuff about fandom and Connor (tried to write them both at the same time...came out as "Conndom". Heh.). I was just excited to see that you "have loads of writing to do today", hoping that some of that will be shared with the rest of us.

*crosses fingers*

You cheer me up.

Jun. 12th, 2007 06:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Hidy.

How sweet of you to say!! And I'm CRACKING UP at Conndom, heeeeeee! I hope to have something(s) good to share soon, what a bolster to my mood! (Talk about cheering...) Thanks. :*
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Jun. 12th, 2007 06:38 pm (UTC)
WHAT?! Oh, noes! But you can see it again, right? WAIT. WHAT? I'm calling you RIGHT NOW. I have no idea what you're talking about!!
Jun. 12th, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC)
There is only one important question here:

If Betty bought a bit of butter but the butter was too bitter but she put it in her batter, should she buy a bit of better butter to make her bitter batter better?
Jun. 12th, 2007 06:39 pm (UTC)
Better butter is always better than bitter butter! But I wondered if you knew that the sixth Sheik's sixth sheep's sick?

Jun. 12th, 2007 06:42 pm (UTC)
I didn't take the poll because normally I'd enjoy the squee right along with the poster, just because they are so cuuuuute *pinches cheeks*.

But if it was something I really didn't agree with, it's possible I might (nicely!) give my differing opinion. Normally, though, I either A) am too lazy to bother, or B) know the OP will take it as some sort of attack and think I'm a big meanie-head, no matter what I say.
Jun. 12th, 2007 08:11 pm (UTC)
It looks like I will subscribing to HBO like a good citizen and watching Big Love tonight since my party got canceled. For sad. Well, not the watching good TV part.

Every time I read "LDS," I think about Star Trek IV and Spock's unfortunate accident with it.
Jun. 12th, 2007 08:14 pm (UTC)
HEEEE! That's an old joke, actually. :D And Big Love is really good thoughtful TV disguised as a soap opera. So... everything I love.
Jun. 12th, 2007 08:19 pm (UTC)
I am actually heartened by how many people chose the "as long as I'm not being an asshat" option!

*tears up a little; sheds a perfect tear*
Jun. 12th, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)
I know!! I was so happy to see how many great people (read: all but Lee) there are who love to discuss but know HOW and WHEN. <3

Also, EEEEE to your icon. Hahaha! I'm reading the script. [/cryptic]
Jun. 12th, 2007 09:44 pm (UTC)
Ha, notice I only answered one question... I scrolled by the rest *grin*
Jun. 12th, 2007 09:51 pm (UTC)
HEE HEE HEE!!!!! Awesome. Best comment today. :D
Jun. 12th, 2007 11:35 pm (UTC)
Whenever I see that you've posted anything I say "Ewwwwwwwwww" and then because I'm nice, I scroll on by.
Jun. 12th, 2007 11:38 pm (UTC)

...wait a minute!

Jun. 12th, 2007 11:40 pm (UTC)
You suck and your ideas are stupid. I don't even know why I'm reading here anymore.

*scrolls on by*
Jun. 13th, 2007 12:09 am (UTC)
I'm totally going to post about you and name drop you (calling you out, you see) after you defriend me then feel vindicated when you don't respond!
Jun. 13th, 2007 12:10 am (UTC)
*keeps on scrolling but doesn't defriend because I plan to stick around so I can insult you more*
Jun. 13th, 2007 01:52 am (UTC)
Loving the Big Love. I think that Nicki is wearing garments - more like longjohns than LDS garments, but I think they are her variation. ...or possible because I read the Colorado City crowd use something like longjohns for their garments, I'm assuming that's what Nicki is wearing.

Margene wasn't Mormon until the middle of last season or at least not from an actively practicing background. I do think it is odd that Barb, Bill and their kids don't wear them. Unless perhaps it's statement about how they are not LDS any longer.
Jun. 13th, 2007 02:36 am (UTC)
Nicki is wearing garments: those are the old school style. The official church brought in the nylon/cotton short sleeve/knee length clothes after the 1950s. Prior to that, EVERYONE wore the long johns. My grandma still wore them up to her death in the 90s. (She was LDS, not plyg. *g*)

The thing is, a lot of the modern polygamists are brought in from the official church. They get married in the temple (the First Wives) and go through the endowment process to get their "official" garments. The kids wouldn't wear them. You only get your "endowments" (garments) when you're going on a mission or getting married.

I really think they don't have them wear it (and if anything, Bill would insist that Margene wear sleeves on her blouses - that's like, the law) as a simple sign of respect to the LDS church. To them, they're not secret, they're sacred. If that's why they're not wearing them on the show, I can respect that. If it's an oversight, it's a HUUUUUUUUGE one. Nothing comes between an LDS or FLDS person and their garments. Nada.
Jun. 13th, 2007 02:56 am (UTC)
I love stopping by here, I always learn stuff :-)

Thanks for the explanation of the garments and how they're normally distributed. I don't think anything that I've read explained the exact process of getting the garments.

And yeah, even I as an outsider wondered about Margene's tank tops. Perhaps that's more a sign of how everyone treats Margene as a child and how Bill seems to be delighted in the fact that she always does things a little off.

They did mention the garments in the first episode. Barb and Bill were at a party and Barb said to Bill that another woman had been obviously checking for Barb's garment lines. It makes it seem that for whatever reason they are not wearing them, it's deliberate.
Jun. 13th, 2007 04:14 am (UTC)
You would have a hard time finding details about the endowment ceremony. One woman posted a book about her experiences in the temple, and she was excommunicated. (That was a big part of it, but not the whole reason.) It's a lot like the Freemasons and their secrecy. (Which... almost all of the temple rites are based on Freemasonry.)

Oh, I must have missed that mention about Barb's garments! I've only seen the episode once, back when it aired, so I'm fuzzy on the show's details. Make this another show I need on DVD. :D
Jun. 13th, 2007 05:20 am (UTC)
Ooooo popcicles!!!!!!! *is jealous*

All I have are ice cream sandwiches. So not in the same category.

Meanwhile, I agree with you on everything. Except for the parts that I don't. Which, if I were to comment at all about, would be totally for the purposes of opening a dialogue and possibly finding new light shed on a character I previously didn't know that much about.

Or, ya know, I'll just bitch about it in my corner and tell everyone how crazy everyone else is.
Jun. 13th, 2007 11:48 am (UTC)

Oh, but you know? I actually like ice cream sandwiches over popcicles! (Unless they're fudgicles - nothing's better than that.) Skinny Cow is my favorite - they're almost like Big Wheels, but without the fat. And they actually taste better! Mmmmmmm.
Jun. 15th, 2007 09:39 am (UTC)
Jun. 15th, 2007 01:05 pm (UTC)
The Deseret News (Utah's paper) has a polygamy SECTION. Yeah, they make the Arizon/Utah/Idaho news all the time. I keep track of the FLDS because they're trying to relocate to Texas.
Jun. 16th, 2007 07:41 am (UTC)
Oh, hey. Thanks for reminding me; I just watched Banking on Heaven and wondered if you've seen it. As Mr. D said, obviously with sarcastic tone, "Hey, it's pretty one-sided; where's the other viewpoint?"
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I love you, why are you doing this? After all we've been through? You don't have to be like this. You know, still reading. You could be baking a pie. And then sharing it with me.

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