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I read the phrase "deep-seated" and was taken aback. I have ALWAYS thought that the phrase was "deep-seeded." Here's my thinking on why:

deep-seeded racism. Meaning, the racist ideas, etc. are buried deep, hence the seed metaphor. Yes, I am a gardener, this is how I think, lol.

So, if I'm wrong, what does "seat" refer to? Is this one of those turns of phrase that came from something else, a la, "mad as a hatter?" I'm corn-fused.

Also, I went to a fancy schmancy restaurant last night and had the Chef-Tasting/Pairing Course (3) and it was... oh my god, it wasn't good. This guy thought he was on Top Chef and I wanted to be Daddy Tom telling him why it was terrible. And the wine!! So mediocre and! And! The dessert course I got a Bailey's over ice (it's a WINE tasting) and a creme brulee soaked in coffee liquer. Now in theory, that sounds awesome. In execution it was sugar shock and soupy. Huh. (My main course was a fabulous chimichurri sauce over a Cowboy Rib eye. I would like to point out that I'm kinda small. Kinda. A cowboy Ribeye is almost 2 pounds of beef. Good. Lord. And it was a fatty cut of meat, too. I told him that it would have been better to match the sauce - which was perfect - with something small like a fillet Mignon, esp. a buffalo fillet.) Eh. The service was lousy, too. Hotel ZaZa is great, but I can't recommend their restaurant, Dragonfly. Three stars when they put on airs like they're 5. No, you're not.

ETA Check this article that compares the two: deep-seated and deep-seeded. THE PLOT THICKENS! (And thank you everyone that is chiming in.)

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mangosorbet007
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:34 pm (UTC)
Well, it sits at a very deep place in your mind, its seat is deep down, so: deep-seated. No?
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and my line of reasoning has it as a seed. But I'm clearly wrong, I just am amazed at how long I've thought it was one thing!
a2zmom
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:35 pm (UTC)
definitely deep-seated. Maybe the same lineage as the seat of emotions?

I hope the restaurant wasn't overly expensive but I suspect it was.
minim_calibre
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:39 pm (UTC)
Yep. Same lineage, using a now-obsolete meaning of the word that lingers in a handful of expressions.
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:45 pm (UTC)
Absolutely fascinating. I love etymology, but confess to only knowing a small portion. This is great to know, thank you!
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:45 pm (UTC)
Oooh, that's interesting.

And it wasn't really expensive, but it wasn't cheap. The food was alright, some of it was terrific. But it was very amatuerish. (I love sounding like a food snob. Excuse me while I eat some cheetos... Hee.)
gillo
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:39 pm (UTC)
I think it's from mediaeval stone-masonry - you "seat" a brick or stone in the mortar, so if it's "deep-seated" it means very firmly embedded, not going to come out any time soon.

Sorry your fancy meal wasn't.
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:47 pm (UTC)
OoooOOooooh. That makes total sense. (And seeing as my paternal line is made up of masons going back centuries, you'd think I would have thought of that!)

Eh. You have to weed places out, and now I'll know. (And I have some Dallas peeps on my flist, so maybe I'll spare them some grief.)
denelian
Sep. 14th, 2009 07:07 am (UTC)
this is pretty much exactly what i was taught, in both a class on Chauncer, and a class on early Middle-Ages language shifts.
fabrisse
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:40 pm (UTC)
I like your take, but it's deep seated. I've never seen it hyphenated.
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:47 pm (UTC)
I read an article in the NY Times that used it hyphenated. It just made sense in my head the way I've been using it, but that's something I need to get straight. :D
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:49 pm (UTC)
I love you.
darksideofstorm
Sep. 13th, 2009 08:51 pm (UTC)
*grins* you're very welcome.
darlas_mom
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:03 pm (UTC)
I don't know you, but I wanna chime in with love, too, because you have a Morgan icon.
darksideofstorm
Sep. 13th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
Criminal Minds is DEFINITELY something to share love on. *grins* Especially the bits involving Morgan.

(Are you waiting on tenterhooks for season five? *flaily OMGHOTCH!flail*)
darlas_mom
Sep. 13th, 2009 11:49 pm (UTC)
Hee! You have awesome icons for it, I love that scene so much!

( ::squeaky hamster noises of flail:: OMGHOTCH! He's okay. He's okay, he's okay, he's okay. He has to be. He's Hotch.)
darksideofstorm
Sep. 14th, 2009 12:35 am (UTC)
Oh man, me too. But I love anything with Reid/Morgan interaction, period.

*dies at your icon*

(I KNOW. *flailing Mcflail* I'm clinging on to the theory that he has a second gun. He always has a second gun. And he's a fast draw! *clings*)
menomegirl
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
I've never heard the phrase "deep-seeded".

*runs to read your eta*
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:26 pm (UTC)
It's interesting how technically my way is correct, it's just not the accepted (albeit as mentioned above, archaic and obselete) phrase.

I love this kind of stuff.
menomegirl
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:41 pm (UTC)
Okay, so your way would be the correct terminology. But...that just sounds so wrong to me LOL!
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:59 pm (UTC)
Well, linguists would say that YOUR way is the correct one, mine just can't be argued away as nonsense (like "as a pose to" instead of "as opposed to" - one is clearly correct there) because my words still make sense.

Isn't it crazy how fluid language can be in certain cases? Love it.
darlas_mom
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
Definitely deep-seated. I see everybody else has offered etymology and meta links on the topic, so I haven't really got much to add!

That restaurant sounds terrible. :-( I hope it didn't cost you an arm and a leg to go there. Also, random aside: what do you do for a coffee liqueur hangover?
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:25 pm (UTC)
For that hangover? Def. the hair of the dog that bit you, but make it an ICED coffee.

How sad that I know the hangover fixers for all the various ways you can wreck yourself... lol.
denelian
Sep. 14th, 2009 07:10 am (UTC)
when you are done with your other book, you should write this one. it could be, say, "101 ways to Cure Your Hangover (and how you got it to begin with)"

i bet you'd make a million bucks off of that! (and it might still be worth something when you get it - assuming that the recession doesn't get any worse)
justhuman
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:37 pm (UTC)
Interesting on the entymology. I have the same kind of issue with speak your piece - say your part of the discussion.

The first thing I always think is speak your peace - "clear your conscience and say what's on your mind.</i>
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 10:01 pm (UTC)
Ahahaha, I have heard that one, too! And there's a lyric beauty to the incorrect usage of "peace," isn't there?
justhuman
Sep. 13th, 2009 10:57 pm (UTC)
There is. And I wonder if I got there from speak now or forever hold your peace
moosesal
Sep. 13th, 2009 09:57 pm (UTC)
It's deep-seated. And Merriam-Webster will back me up on that. *mwah!*
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 10:00 pm (UTC)
Well, yes. And no. :D Check that link out, it's really interesting! (But the accepted terminology is seated. Mine is just not the old fashioned, archaic expression, even though it makes grammatical sense, it's not what is the common use.)

But if you were my editor, I would change it. :D
moosesal
Sep. 13th, 2009 10:12 pm (UTC)
You're damn right you'd change it. ;-)
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 10:20 pm (UTC)
Hahahahaha! Always respect/fear the editor!
harmonyfb
Sep. 13th, 2009 10:22 pm (UTC)
I'm under the impression it's 'deep-seated'. Though I suppose 'deep-seeded' would not be altogether weird.
stoney321
Sep. 13th, 2009 10:26 pm (UTC)
Yep, according to some of the learned on the comment threads, you are right there. On both! (The commonly accepted terminology is seated, even though seeded makes sense, it's just not the accepted phrase. Harumph, says I. I plan on breaking new ground with my incorrectness! Lol.)
gabzilla
Sep. 14th, 2009 12:26 am (UTC)
Top Chef love
Daddy Tom!!! <3 Love it, now I'll always be calling him that.
stoney321
Sep. 14th, 2009 01:07 am (UTC)
Re: Top Chef love
I don't know who casts a more withering look, Tom Calicchio or Nancy Pelosi! :D
pickledprose
Sep. 14th, 2009 04:00 am (UTC)
Re: Top Chef love
LOL at this, my vote goes to Pelosi! That looks at Wilson almost made me wet my pants!
pickledprose
Sep. 14th, 2009 04:04 am (UTC)
Re: Top Chef love
um.... look is what I meant.
dampersnspoons
Sep. 14th, 2009 01:05 am (UTC)
Deep-seated. Because people with deep seats have rully big butts. Or they like hammocks.

In fact, I often refer to a woman with a large back bottom as a deep-seated woman of [affluence].

Blood on the Highway.
stoney321
Sep. 14th, 2009 01:22 am (UTC)
I often refer to a woman with a large front bottom as mother.

Blood on the Highway.

(That is never going to get old. Never. Let's test that theory!)
midnightsjane
Sep. 14th, 2009 01:52 am (UTC)
Like most everyone else here, I say it's deep-seated. As in the seat of power, the seat of emotion, etc.
That link was fascinating, showing how pronunciation can actually change words and their meanings!
judetwee
Sep. 14th, 2009 04:26 am (UTC)
Have you eaten at Herrera's? There are only two of them in Dallas and Carrollton (my old town) but I think it's a pretty famous tex mex place. Maybe that will ease your gastronomical pain. =)

Also, This place has the best donuts in the world.
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stoney321
Sep. 14th, 2009 04:04 pm (UTC)
I don't jibe with the "it's only this way" thing, even though there are word usages that drive me up the wall. (The abuse of the word impact, when people mean affect, for example.) But the English language is constantly morphing, it has to be accepted.

Anne, that steak was the size of my face!! Too much, too much. And fatty, bleh. But the sauce was absolute perfection.
oatmellow
Sep. 18th, 2009 08:32 pm (UTC)
I've always said/written deep-seeded.

I've also always said 'butt naked' instead 'buck naked'

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