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Potential triggery stuff - FLDS talk

I've been quiet about the trial that's going on because so much of it is just plain upsetting to me, so I've avoided it. But I was asked a question about a specific issue (won't go into detail) and came across this post. That's the potentially triggery stuff, btw. Never forget that this organization isn't some hippie, feel good "we just want to worship our God" religion. This is an outfit that went about specifically targeting YOUNG (as in: seriously under aged) girls to make them subservient and to be breeders. That's all women are good for, they can serve no leadership positions, their advice isn't wanted (and can get them a pop in the mouth or a few days in the potato shed for speaking out of turn) and they are systematically beaten and broken down until there's nothing left.

If I read one more comment on a blog about how they're "just wanting to practice their religion" I'm going to fly off in a rage. Or create a religion where I get to take anything of yours I want and rock out on amyl poppers. What? It's what my god wants me to do!

(Important to note: even old time FLDS folks - read: pre Warren Jeffs - were shocked by the temple bed. But the more secretive these people get, the more crazy stuff they do. Like how apparently Jeffs kept TAPES OF HIMSELF CONSUMMATING HIS "MARRIAGES" TO YOUNG GIRLS.)

I will never forget the shock I felt when I got a question from the State Troopers re: the original bust and they asked if there were beds in the temples. There are padded altars. This whole thing is just a gross distortion of the original weirdness. (Here's what Mormon temple altars look like.) I MEAN, HELLO.

Geh. In other news, I've completely gutted my office, selling off the furniture, painting walls, etc. and I'm wanting to put in this coffee table and a bunch of comfy chairs and have a relaxed space. No more formal office for me, I think. We're all laptop users now, so why have a desk designed for a PC? Exactly.

I have hummingbirds all over my Mexican bush sage out front. <3

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maybe1ce
Oct. 14th, 2009 03:48 pm (UTC)
That temple altar reminds me of an old fashioned Prie Dieu, more than a bed.

Jeffs directions for making that bed are creepy. (On top of creepy, coated in a generous coating of Creepysauce.) There was just a LOOOOOT of ongoing detailed planning for systematic rape. It takes the fucked-upness to a whole new level.
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
LOLOLOLOL AT YOUR ICON!!!
I'm not familiar with the term "Prie Dieu," so now I get to learn something today, awesome!

ANd yeah - the DETAILS and planning involved so he can do what he wants!! Augh, the grand delusion/aggrandizement that man had. Just despicable.
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brunettepet
Oct. 14th, 2009 04:20 pm (UTC)
The fastidious instructions for constructing that "altar" made my stomach flip over. What a sick bastard. How many lives has he destroyed?

Thank goodness there are hummingbirds to lighten the post! We've got black swallowtails all over our abelia bushes.


stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 04:25 pm (UTC)
Too many lives, man. Too many.

HUMMERS! And the good, tiny kind! :D I'm going to do some window shopping in a bit, too. More comfy chairs of a reclining, but can still function nature, please!

(If you can, quick as shakes throw some fennel in the garden for the swallowtails to lay their eggs on! Or milkweed, if you can find any, assuming it's not there already.)
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fabrisse
Oct. 14th, 2009 04:35 pm (UTC)
I like your office idea. Would that I could. *G*

re Jeffs: Ick. The marriage to young'uns is bad enough, but the added violation of knowing there are tapes must be horrible for these girls. This is not religion; this is a perversion cloaking itself in religious rhetoric.

(I must say that LDS temple altar is kind of pretty.)

And hummingbirds always make me happy.
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
The Mr. and I were shopping for new desks and just thought, "Why?" We use the office simultaneously, the kids pop in, and this way, we can all be comfy with our laptop, coffee, etc. NICE!

That altar for the LDS temple is a unique one. They're all different to match the style/exterior of the temples around the world. They do make pretty temples, I'll give them that.

How can hummingbirds not bring the happy? Such busy little dudes.
flyingichthyo
Oct. 14th, 2009 04:44 pm (UTC)
Oh, Stoney, I <3 you.
Me at work, reading: "...make them subservient and to be breeders..." My face = D:

Later: "...TAPES OF HIMSELF CONSUMMATING HIS 'MARRIAGES'..." My face = DDD'8

I'm so glad you got out of that fuckery.
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 04:46 pm (UTC)
My face kept doing that, too. AUGH IT IS SO AWFUL. For the record, I was only ever LDS, not FLDS. (Although I have family members, etc. that are. Eesh.)

I'm happy I'm not living 10 minutes from the Crick! (The local name for Colorado City.) UGH, so sad and gross.
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tabaqui
Oct. 14th, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
FUCK.
*gags*

I just...it makes me so angry i have no words. It makes me want to commit intimate, physical violence. Often. And hard.

It makes me feel tainted just to read it. FUCK HIM and the insane, creepy horse he rode in on.
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
I WARNED FOR TRIGGERS!!

Yeah, I've had to distance myself from the trial for just that reaction, too. :((((((
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cityphonelines
Oct. 14th, 2009 07:14 pm (UTC)
Some of those COMMENTS. I had to close the browser out of RAGE.

On the flipside, I am in drooling love with that table.
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 07:22 pm (UTC)
Isn't that table awesome!?!? And my house is a series of squares, so I need round. NEED THE ROUND! <3 <3 <3 <3
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stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 07:51 pm (UTC)
The duane person in that post is an FLDS plant. He hits all the blogs with pro-FLDS claptrap.

Which means he's the latter. :)
lostakasha
Oct. 14th, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
Ugh to the FLDS horrors...

But on a much lighter note? The Petrie chair! Oh, please, grand poobahs of design at C&B, please have named that lovely chair after Laura and Rob!
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 08:20 pm (UTC)
Oh, I TOTALLY think it's a Laura Petrie chair!! It looks just like their furniture! (True fact: I do a SPOT ON Laura Petrie impression. Hee. If only I could pull off the turtleneck and pedal pushers... <3 Her!!)
toxic_corn
Oct. 14th, 2009 08:33 pm (UTC)
The more I read these LDS entries from you, the more I wish your book was already published so I could've beat this professor I had with it. He claimed that the media was biased in its representation of that ranch that got busted not too long ago. He was trying to teach us to look beyond media hype but he couldn't have gone about it in a more skin crawling, disgusting way. And then hearing my classmates harping about them "just wanting to practice their religion" nearly made me leave the room. :(

Happy ending to this story: This professor claimed that kiddie porn on the internet didn't exist and gave us an extra-credit assignment to find ten kiddie porn sites. A parent found out. Guess what happened?
a2zmom
Oct. 14th, 2009 10:50 pm (UTC)
This professor sounds like a pretty disgusting example of humanity.
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a2zmom
Oct. 14th, 2009 10:51 pm (UTC)
I hope that Jeffs gets what's coming to him. Those poor children.
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
Me, too. THe "Dirty Dozen" the other twelve men from the YFZ ranch that are being prosecuted... I've got my fingers crossed that all of them will spend a long time in the pokey, too. Just horrid men, through and through.
darlas_mom
Oct. 14th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
...God, I hope they throw Jeffs into a deep dark hole and throw away the fucking KEY. I threw up in my mouth a little reading those instructions.

This is the THIRD entry on my flist today that makes me want to just banish men in general from the planet, or at least the hemisphere of it that I live in. I feel so powerless, Stoney. Why is so much of the world so awful? :-(

ION, your prospective furniture is beautiful! I kind of like the IKEA chair better than the C&B, but my eyes crave bright colors 99.9999% of the time.

Love to the hummingbirds. I wish I had some of their pretty to look at my own self right now. The weather here is in deep pre-winter condition, with everything dark and gray and all the little animals gone to ground. It's kind of depressing. :-/
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC)
My husband is a good guy! My son is a good guy! My future fiance is a good guy! They're out there, they just don't look the way we expect (not unlike our complaint to the men.) I know, there are some bad guys out there and they muck it up for the rest of them. :((((

I love the colors on the ikea chair, too. But the Petrie chair looks so coofy! And I have a fabulous print pillow with a coordinating orange in it to give it some color. Pillows are a great way to change a look, that and paint. I'm a big fan. :D

Here's a pretty icon for you to look at - it's spring on the down under!
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dovil
Oct. 14th, 2009 11:36 pm (UTC)
But Stoney, lets be reasonable, obviously the abuse and rape of woman and children is a perfectly normal expression of ones religious beliefs. Obviously they don't WANT to do these things, but it's all about making god happy, and apparently god is one twisted a-hole. I think the other gods need to hold an intervention and get it help because it's turning Earth into a gonzo production of badness.

You remember the post where I ranted about human beings are fundamentally stupid, well lets just say that I was not lacking in evidence and this all just reinforces that conclusion.

Your office furniture - the shelves in the table are for the skull bongs yes/yes? Also, you've been watching Mad Men, heeee!
stoney321
Oct. 14th, 2009 11:52 pm (UTC)
I like to abuse and rape horses to show my Lord and Savior how much I like him. Not love, that would involve a bull, and frankly, I'm just not up for it.

THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY I AM A HAPPY ATHEIST. And hahahaha, yep, your post was spot on, as per usual.

I havea special curio cabinet for the skull bongs, and one for the bongs made of squeezy honey bears. Ahaahahaha, I LOVE THE MAD MEN MID CENTURY LOOK. I've been converting my house over for the past year. And I don't even watch Mad Men! I have it recorded, I'm just lazy. (Also, say someone wanted to add some LOST along with the other DVDs winging their way to you. Would you be interested? All five seasons - the last one is just about to start airing here?)
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soundingsea
Oct. 15th, 2009 02:19 pm (UTC)
Ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh. Religion CREEPY.

how apparently Jeffs kept TAPES OF HIMSELF CONSUMMATING HIS "MARRIAGES" TO YOUNG GIRLS.

Okay - so can they get him on kiddie pr0n for that?
nijireiki
Oct. 15th, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
Maaaan, this just reminds me of how my local news FLIPS THE FUCK OUT over MUZZLUMZ OMG, but we don't hear anything about this shit. I think what really got to me was the bit about "the Lord having His way with" 'him.' D8>

...I have to go self-medicate with peanut butter now.
maybe1ce
Oct. 15th, 2009 10:29 pm (UTC)
Oh, no. I'm back.

The fact that I'm spamming this post is not unrelated to my other recent LJ spamming adventure ("spamventure," if you will) in which I have ranted, raved, and generally frothed in utter horror at the Roman Polanski apologism running rampant.

Are young girls so worthless in our society that we should expect them to be regularly raped? And, those that object are puritans, or prudes, or intolerant of "alternative" faiths?

Anger.....So. Much. Anger.
xochitl42
Oct. 16th, 2009 04:54 am (UTC)
I didn't think the triggery stuff would be triggery for me until I looked at it. I feel like I've been struck in the gut. I literally can't breathe. I try to practice compassion, but the FLDS is now slotted right there next to the Taliban in my "no other remedy but outright elimination with prejudice" category.

...So now to soothe my napalmed nerves I will look at your lovely coffee-table comfy idea for a home office, which I totally approve of and really wish I'd thought of myself! I quite like the book-nooks on the table. Or laptop-nooks, heh.
stoney321
Oct. 16th, 2009 12:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, we're rational, thinking people. And then people like this come along and it's near impossible to try and give them the benefit of the doubt.

And wasn't that idea of the Mr.s inspired? I just love the idea of a comfy cofee bar lounge area. Seeing as we're all on laptops, why not? <3 That table is just too cool for school. I can see a pretty throw for cold days tucked in there, as well.
domenowtrent
Oct. 19th, 2009 03:51 am (UTC)
I have two coworkers that are polygamist. Lorna, 20, was not in Warren Jeff's community. She ended up leaving because she fell in love with a guy- while she was engaged to a man who was 50. She was 18 at the time. In her community no one was allowed to marry until after their 18th birthday. She left just in time.

Alan, however, is from Warren Jeffs community. His brother is married to Lorna's aunt, so when Alan got kicked out, he moved in with Lorna. He sleeps in her closet. He got kicked out for owning a CD. Black Eyed Peas. He is the most disturbed person I've ever met in my life and he's only 18.

Not exactly relevant, but I wanted to share.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 18th, 2009 08:58 pm (UTC)
Good thread
Thanks for sharing - BTW Raymond jessop, first of 12 up, got 10 years....
stoney321
Nov. 18th, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Good thread
Oh, I'm following the trials almost religiously. :)

I'm hoping the other trials go as well. (And R. Jessop is being tried on other charges, too, so let's hope he'll be in for more than 10.)
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