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We've had a bunch of crazy storms skirt where I live, and my dog is terrified of storms. She's also 80+ pounds. And got the poopy-dookies on the carpet in the middle of the night. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SALLY DERG. I have all of this glorious tile downstairs, but no, she had to go upstairs and leave treats in front of the kids' doors. Awesome. I think you can figure out what I'm doing today. (hint: shampooing the carpet.)

Here are some links/food for thought.

I went back to school in '03 and became a Master Gardener, which involved loads of science, which is what I went to college for, incidentally. There was a series of classes on IPM, integrated Pest Management, which goes into the science of why certain 'cides work on certain things. The way you kill pests is (mostly) by attacking how the pest eats. (Exception: soft bodied critters like slugs, snails, caterpillars, worms.) Why? Because of exoskeletons. You can't get poison on a hard shell and expect it to do anything, because nature and evolution is v v smart.

So. You take something like an organophosphate (Sevin, Malathion, Dursban, NERVE GAS) and spray your crops with it. Something like a grasshopper eats the leaves, but chokes and dies. Yay! It chokes because the organophosphate attacks its nervous system, shutting everything down, specifically by making the synapses no longer fire. It's a neurotoxin. Neuro = brain cell, toxin = duh. Synapses are the spaces between your brain cells, and that's where the "lightning bolt" of information transmits to the next cell, on and on, and then you clench your hand into a fist and punch a door. Or pet a cat. Whatever, I'm not here to judge you. :)

Now, cut to ADHD. I know it's not common for people to take their kids in for proper diagnosis, meaning, not just a pediatrician who asks if your kid fidgets a lot, and if so, take these pills. We did a neurological exam with my son, and the biology of his brain is thus: the frontal lobe (at the time of diagnosis, which was 8) was 1/3 smaller than his peers. The synapses didn't fire properly, but erratically, sending weird messages to the rest of his brain/body. And the frontal lobe is where logic, organization, and impulse control are located. Guess what the hallmarks of ADHD are? It's a biological developmental issue. I'm sure there are some examples of other factors, but that's the general issue.

Now, fast forward to this study. And we find that a chemical that's EVERYWHERE (I mean, who doesn't live where they spray for mosquitoes with Malathion? And if it exists, I want to go to there.) isn't broken down by the time we consume it, which is what has been explained, which is why pesticides are SERIOUSLY CONTROLLED for food production with a schedule of when they can and cannot spray, because it's all about when it breaks down. That way, by the time you eat it, you can feel confident that you aren't going to wolf down some poison. Except for how that turns out to not be true at all. They aren't breaking down. They're getting absorbed into specific foods and STAYING THERE. So washing isn't helping your strawberries, peaches, or raspberries. And guess what my son's favorite fruits are?

I'm not saying that the main cause of my son's ASD issues are because of fruit. I'm just saying that it's not helping. (My son's issues are because genetically there is ASD in my family and in his bio-father's family. Hey-o, double whammy.) But the pesticide thing isn't helping. I'm glad that I raise my own fruit (mostly) now, but man, this explains the huge spike in kids with ADHD, huh? Multiple studies are finding the same thing to be true, btw. And logically, scientifically, it makes sense. Neurotoxins that screw up the regular firing of your brain, and a disorder that is essentially a screwed up firing of synapses in the brain.

Incidentally, they're also coming to the conclusion that this same compound may be responsible for the huge spike in Alzheimers. Which also makes sense, given that Alzheimers is a degeneration of neurotransmitters (which is where memory is stored, the spaces between) leading to the death of the brain cell. Their brains atrophy. :(

Anyway, food for thought. (Note: I am of the mindset - currently - that this is exacerbating underlying genetic propensity, not necessarily is the root cause. Again, I'm in the camp that genetics lays a foundation, environment may act as a trigger.)

Other things, I found The Date That Brought The Date To The Date's tv show online, and it's subtitled. It's not, um, the best show around but yes, his Korean is beautiful. It's just... weird that he's on a show, right? And apparently he's the Ross of the show. Well, if Ross started out as an American Buddhist monk. WHAT.

For those who don't want to read the story (pah to you, I say) you can listen to my sorrowful tale here. :) (mp4, 2.5mb)

Also, dress and accessories were purchased with ease, which is great because I actually do not like shopping when I need something. Finding something randomly? Awesome. Looking for something specific? UGH. Shockingly, it wasn't at Nordstroms, which made me sad, because they are the BEST place for dresses. And shoes. I'll post pics of the wedding after the fact. Meanwhile, I need to finish cleaning the house, stocking the fridge/pantry, and getting things ready for my awesome sister to come up and stay with the kids. They are very excited to hang with their cool aunt. But surprise! She's going to beat them and make them shave her foot calluses, in your face, kids! I'll teach you to appreciate me.

The next time I post it'll be when LOST has come to an end (endless sobbing.) I LOVE THAT SHOW AND WILL HEAR NOTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT. I have NO character hate, so save that crap for your own space, mm'kay? Oh, Desmond, I want to rub you on me like a fine perfume. *cry*

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soundingsea
May. 20th, 2010 02:41 pm (UTC)
Ugh, just thinking about the terrible things in our food supply makes me upset. And happy I'm growing what I can. And upset again. Ugh. I'm totally preserving more pesticide-free local fruit during its miniscule season this summer.

Finding something randomly? Awesome. Looking for something specific? UGH.

Ugh, don't remind me. I have to look for something to wear in October. In Tuscany. To a wedding. That can travel in my carryon. That will magically fit whatever size I am then, of which I have no clue. Ugh.
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 02:45 pm (UTC)
I know - it's so aggravating how people aren't aware that they're putting POISON in their bodies, and Monsanto and ConAgra pocket the change.

DILLARDS. I love Dillards. And Nordstroms. They have actual helpful people that work there and can find things for anyone, of this I am convinced. Seriously, regardless of body shape, they'll have it, or know how to get it.
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brunettepet
May. 20th, 2010 02:43 pm (UTC)
The science of pesticides on food we consume being directly linked to brain development/degeneration issues makes so much sense, it's a wonder this study was only done in 2008. I wonder if there are other studies that have made this link, but been squashed by big agriculture.
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 02:46 pm (UTC)
It really is so sensible, right?! I know that the Alzheimer's study began several years ago and was published in 2007, so they're trying. Mostly the whole "vaccines cause autism!" hogwash derailed the proper investigations for decades.
sdwolfpup
May. 20th, 2010 02:58 pm (UTC)
genetics lays a foundation, environment may act as a trigger

That's how I feel about it, too. Especially since ADHD and autism seem to strike so much more in boys than girls; that can't just be pesticides.
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 03:04 pm (UTC)
I'm a big believer in genetics playing a role in everything, personally. (However, the boys vs. girls thing, I think it's 70% genetics and 30% undiagnosed. It presents differently in boys than girls.)
ladyvyola
May. 20th, 2010 03:01 pm (UTC)
I have grabbed your audiofile and am updating my iPod now! I can't wait to hear it.
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 03:04 pm (UTC)
Whee! That's my weird, high-pitched Texan voice. :)
voodoochild9
May. 20th, 2010 03:13 pm (UTC)
So that show that the guy who brought a date to a date is on a kind of a Korean sitcom?

Edited at 2010-05-20 03:13 pm (UTC)
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 03:30 pm (UTC)
More soap opera, from what I can tell.
ruthless1
May. 20th, 2010 03:27 pm (UTC)
I got lost with Lost. I am not criticizing it but I missed so much that it just got too confusing. Which makes me sad because everyone who loved it - loved it SO much. I tell myself that I will just catch it on DVD someday but ALL OF MY SOMEDAYS are already booked. *cries*
How can this be? How did my life get so stupidly busy???? I can hardly keep up with ANY shows.

As for the pesticides study. *takes a big soapboxy breath*

Well - they should do a study on Delaware. My mother, her brother, her two best friends all died of brain tumors. Just last month my cousin's son had a benign brain tumor removed. Hello Du Pont? What are you putting in the water/soil/air over there?

Also a study should be done in Colorado - I am not sure but the MS rates might be super high here. Hello Rocky Flats - former plutonium trigger head building plant. Please stay out of our groundwater!
//end rant//
*goes to eat breakfast in order to prevent more ranting in stoney's journal*
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC)
I bailed halfway through S2, and didn't pick back up until S4 was airing (and caught all of the eps I missed.) It was TOTALLY worth it. I think the show works much better in a 3 ep. arc, personally, so watching on DVD is the way I recommend it to people. But I get the not having time. There are loads of shows I'll never watch because we don't live where there are 34 hour days.

OH HEY. HOW ABOUT HOUSTON. Every adult - EVERY SINGLE ADULT - that grew up where my husband did (NASA) has had cancer. Some have multiple cancers. WTF.
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stephanierb
May. 20th, 2010 03:54 pm (UTC)

Yikes. It disturbs me whenever I read about studies like this for more than just the obvious reasons. I feel for people on a fixed budget who are being told that they should more fruits and vegetables and less processed foods, which is already impacting their wallet. And on top of that, they're being told that pesticides are bad and they should be eating organic, which costs more. Choosing good health appears to be pretty expensive.
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 04:01 pm (UTC)
That's it exactly. It would be GREAT if there were more encentives for people to learn how to grow a lot of their own food. You could at least grow lettuces/spinaches in an apartment window with only a few hours of light a day. Bah.
gehayi
May. 20th, 2010 04:08 pm (UTC)
I wonder if epilepsy is connected to pesticides as well. (They do know that lead poisoning is one environmental cause of it.) I know that some forms of it have familial tendencies...and yet it fundamentally involves what you said: misfires. An epileptic brain fires signals to nerve cells much faster than normal--up to four times faster. That's what causes the short circuit known as a seizure. And the rapid fire can take place in any part of the brain; that's why there are five different kind of seizures, not just the type common to grand mal epilepsy, which is the type everyone thinks of when you say "seizure."

And it's a common disease--estimates of how many people in America alone have it range from around three million to more than four million, with about 200,000 people being diagnosed each year.

Certainly epilepsy has many causes; a person who suffers a head injury could easily end up having epilepsy. The causes don't have to be genetic or mysterious. Just the same, your description of what pesticides do plus three to four million people in one country that have related conditions does make me wonder if, in some cases, the pesticides are having an unintended effect.
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 05:00 pm (UTC)
I know nothing about epilepsy, so I can't say, but it seems reasonable to think a portion of those with it are a result of pesticide poisoning.
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ravynstoneabbey
May. 20th, 2010 04:17 pm (UTC)
That does make me concerned re the pesticides link to ADHD. I have it, and it is very genetic, as my father has it as well, and I see signs in my nine year old.

I'm with you on the genetic cause exacerbated by environment front.
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)
It's definitely passed down through genes, but yeah. It just seems to be exploding in the population.
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tabaqui
May. 20th, 2010 04:49 pm (UTC)
I looked around and looked around and it seems that in Missouri, regular spraying for mosquitoes doesn't really happen. I, personally, have never seen a 'mosquito truck'. They spray on some rivers to kill the larve, but not really so much of the driving through the town thing. Yay, us?

*no wonder i get swarmed every summer night*

And yeah - it seems like the genetic causes of so many illnesses are being magnified two and three-fold by all the crap we put in and on our food so it's no wonder that kids have all these 'issues' that they never seemed to have before, or didn't have as badly.

I guess we'll either clean up our act or evolve to deal with it. Skeery stuff.
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 05:01 pm (UTC)
My husband grew up in Houston and the malathion trucks would drive down the alleys a few times a week. O_O We have problems with West Nile disease in the eastern portion of the state. Another reason I'm glad I moved to the prairie portion!
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rikibeth
May. 20th, 2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
Wow, that pesticide information is making SO MUCH SENSE.

I wonder if it's linked not only to ADHD but to depression and bipolar as well? Neurotransmitters, after all.

So, the tradeoff is, either the locusts eat the harvest and Pa has to sell the horses for oxen, or we all get a case of the crazy?
stoney321
May. 20th, 2010 05:02 pm (UTC)
I have no idea, but they're just starting all of the branched out research. Interesting stuff.

And yeah - that seems like the trade off. BOOOOOO.
lynnenne
May. 20th, 2010 09:32 pm (UTC)
HI STONEY HI!!!
elizardbits
May. 20th, 2010 11:46 pm (UTC)
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LOST IS NOT EVEN OVER YET AND I ALREADY MISS IT

SOBBITY AND WOE


AFAIK they have not sprayed for skeeters in NYC since the 70s, barring the west nile thing in 2007. I would not suggest you move here, however, as in order to have a garden even slightly as awesome as yours is now, you would need a minimum of 15 million dollars for a lovely west village townhouse. HOWEVER. WE COULD BE NEIGHBORS. It is up to you whether this is a bug or a feature.


I am always hesitant to put a lot of stock in placing the sole blame for childhood ailments/disorders/&c on environmental causes, but, as you say, it is really not unreasonable to look towards environmental factors triggering underlying genetic issues.

TBH I have a lot of issues on placing blame for illnesses on environmental/dietary/whatevs factors over simple genetics. My mom has a new random thing to blame for her cancer every single time we speak, and it is driving me fucking insane. I understand her need to have a reason for what's happening to her, but jesus fucking christ, it is not because she took a teaspoon of sugar in her coffee every day for 40 years. And she refuses to listen to reason re: how replacing the tiny amount of added sugar in her diet with vast amounts of chemical sweeteners is, in general, a stupid idea. GRAAARRHGHGH.
stoney321
May. 21st, 2010 12:12 am (UTC)
I feel that a lovely CPW penthouse with a rooftop garden is clearly how I need to go. And we'll have to move you in next door for wacky neighbor shenanigans!

I REALLY frown on the whole "who's to blame for this difference in my child!?" bidness. Like, oh, the vaccine caused autism brouhaha, and surprise! Not true. (Note: I have a sister with severe autism, no words, she's in her early 20s.) And I'm right there with you on "maybe it's just the genetic version of the short story, The Lottery." IT SUCKS.
a2zmom
May. 20th, 2010 11:47 pm (UTC)
that whole pesticide thing is pretty scary and makes so much sense. The more research they do, the more I am convinced that chemicals never work out. There's just too many complicated factors at play and everything interacts with everything else.
nijireiki
May. 21st, 2010 04:04 am (UTC)
I've never had anyplace I live sprayed with pesticide trucks, but I've always either lived in the suburb-y-ish city or deep in the boonies. However, you also can't get my sisters to come near vegetables with a ten-foot pole, and thin-skinned fruits (except apples, because c'mon, we're from MA) are considered a treat because they're more expensive.

I would love-- LOVE-- to go, say, strawberry-picking or raspberry-picking again, like I did when I was a kid, but there's no place near me that does it. The closest we come to that where I live is at Halloween, when some salespeople buy a bunch of pumpkins, lay them across a yard in rows, and invite people to "pick their own pumpkins." WAT.
nijireiki
May. 21st, 2010 04:17 am (UTC)
ALSO
I'm going to throw out there, too: lots of people don't know what genes they carry, and their own family history for diseases and disorders, and part of this is because, "why look if nothing's wrong," but also because of incompetent doctors.

My mother and I were both misdiagnosed with iron-deficient anemia for all of my life, until within the past 3 years my mom and I went to a blood specialist and got properly diagnosed with alpha thallassemia trait. Surprise! My mother had to have a hysterectomy last year, because her previous gynecologist attributed her extreme back pain and fatigue to depression. NO, IT'S FIBROIDS, YOU STUPID MALPRACTICING CUNT. My mom's uterus was the size of a baby. I have pictures.

My sister, who didn't have a period until she was 15 and because she got on birth control, who had always had excess hair, dark patches of skin, and put on weight easily, was diagnosed within the past 3 years with polycystic ovarian syndrome and excessive testosterone. Doctors had been telling her to "just diet and excercise" for years. The recently "discovered" PMDD (like the Yaz commercials) is something that's manageable, but indicates a woman's brain being hypersensitive to her own hormones, which-- wait for it-- my mother and I both have. It's not like normal PMS, either, it is like being bipolar and highly aggressive two weeks out of every four, and it sucks. That's why women who don't have PMDD shouldn't take Yaz, because the chemicals that reverse my crazy will make you crazy. My mom's on antidepressants for it (she still has her ovaries, and thus, the self-poisoning hormones).

My mom was pregnant with me for months before her then-doctor acknowledged that it wasn't a hysterical pregnancy. I can go on and on.

There's just a lot of different health issues people carry around in their DNA that they aren't aware of and should be. And because our culture really emphasizes putting everything in the hands of your personal doctor-- who may not be all they're cracked up to be-- patients don't take ownership of themselves, their medical history, and their right to be tested for any- and everything they could want to be tested for. Not to hate on doctors, but your doctor's license plate says MD, not GOD.
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