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First off, my calendar indicates there are two more birthdays today: mpoetess and wendylouwho. Hope your b-days are filled with good stuff, food, friends, and laughter.

Now, perhaps you've heard of this show called Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and it's L'il Brudder, Angel...


Do you know about this? Have you heard about this? And for those of you who have been around these parts a spell may have noticed that I like the funny. Stoney loves the jokey jokey. But that doesn't mean that's all there is here: poop/dick jokes. Okay, it's a big part of what's here, but there's a reason. Let's all jump into the way-back machine...

Laughter is the Best Medicine
It's an old saying, but god, isn't it true? how many times have you been with a friend, snot on your face, chest heaving with sobs, and they'll pull a face, or make a joke and it just gets... easier? Not for always, but right then? Or there's something horrible happening in the world, and Jon Stewart and the gang at TDS just rip it apart and make you laugh at it? And instead of feeling a cloud hanging over your head, you can laugh at the absurdity of it all? Because folks, life is fucking absurd. Michael Jackson may get off. (ba dum bum ching!) Bush is in the White House. Again. Laugh or cry. I pick laugh.

Now, how the hell does this fit into BtVS and fandom? Well, I'll tell you. Without the jokes, Buffy and Angel would just be another show. Yes, the dialogue is phenomenal. The angst is so, so hurty. But I can think of ten shows that have that. Now, throw in how goddamned funny (and angsty, and philosphical, and well written) it was/is, and now you have something that is so incredibly unique, we're all hanging out here everyday making new stories, essays, songs, art, etc. Because the show was/is so freakin' good.

And I'll admit that I'm late to the game of fandom. Never wrote fanfic before Buffy. Didn't know people did that sort of thing. I was stuck with all my wanna be artist friends writing bad poetry, essays, etc. and wishing I could go write for SNL one day. Or anything on Adult Swim. So when I found "this," I soaked up Philly like a SPONGE. Read anything and everything coming down the pike, trying to figure it out. And realized: lots of ff writers must read a LOT of Anne Rice. And make Spike and Co. dress up their mouths in Anne's words. Which isn't Joss and ME's words. But... to each his own, right?

And I kept reading (I don't always comment. If I am not onboard with the fic, I may keep reading and not fb, or I may click away. But I check out a LOT of stuff out there) and started getting depressed. Because it seems like THE VAST MAJORITY OF FF WRITERS write the sad stuff. They (certain writers) like to hurt, bang and bruise my beloved characters - over and over and over and.... And again, to each his own.

But why I may not want to read that type of fic is because that writer seems to have forgetten a fundamental element of EVERY SINGLE BUFFY/ANGEL EPISODE. There was a joke. In every one. And it helps the story. It helps the tension. It helps make things REAL.

Example, using two of the most hurty episodes on Buffy. Ones I go ahead and grab the box of tissues and a cat in preparation.

The Body
Oh, Joyce. I just bawl in this one every single time. When Anya is crying and trying to make sense of how Joyce won't ever have ______ again, and how stupid and mortal death is.... How perfectly sad and raw that is. And then Xander wants to kill something and Willow pouts and puts up her dukes. How I miss that relationship between those friends. Or Xander punching the wall and being stuck. Tension breaker, had to be done. (You can't cry ALL the time. You have to let SOMETHING else out of your system.)

The Gift
I'm a sucker for the swan-dive. Oh, Buffy... With your pants creeping up your tushie... (I wonder If SMG ever watches that and wishes she could have pulled those pretty pants out of her crack?) But back to the episode. Ow. Gratitude mixed with incredible sadness. All of the gang creeping to her broken body (oh, I could cry just typing this!) Giles having to look away and mentally steeling himself to LOOK. To WATCH and later, record. Spike. Dawn. Willow crying on Tara. (I'm totally bawling now.) And then.... Tombstone. It's the "A Lot" at the end. So perfect. A smile when we REALLY need one.

I'll let you in on a secret: wanna know why S6 didn't work for so many of you? Willow/Xander snark is gone. Xan/Anya snark is gone. Buffy/Giles snark is gone. Re-watch it and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Dare ya. Dark, dark, trouble, gloom. Bah. THAT'S why you don't like it. Oh, yeah, and the character assasination. But that's because they were all FUNNY!! And then they weren't!

And, um, that's why I may not be reading your fics. Not *you* you, but some of you out there that I don't know well. You're writing the dark and more dark and gloom and where's the levity?

And then there's me. And I'll be the first to tell you I'm wrong. I am! I laugh at HORRIBLY INAPPROPRIATE things. Because I'll cry about them, otherwise. I saw the pilot ep of South Park (my god, has it been 9 years??) and thought the heavens had split open and a light was shining down on me. These... these are my people. They joke about NAMBLA. About sex-change operations. About a shitty, mean fat kid who's mom is a German Porno star and a hermaphrodite.

And I know from funny. Bob Newhart? Fucking hilarious. So dry I need a glass of water to watch his act. Don Rickles? Dear, god. In your face, insulting, balls-to-the-wall funny. Totally opposite humor from Bob Newhart. Would it surprise some of you to know they have been best friends for over 40 years? I STILL laugh at things Mark Twain wrote. Carol Burnett was my GOD when I was a child. Screw Lucille Ball (I can't stand her, BTW), gimmie Carol Burnett as Mrs. huWiggins, or as Scarlett O'Hara with the curtains literally draped off her shoulders. She was my first hero. I spent five years working the comedy circuit learning the art of a joke. How to make people in front of you laugh. How to make a joke come full circle in a ten minute set. Not always a winner, because the shit is HARD. But that's mostly delivery....

There are a lot of talented writers out here. So talented I boggle at them not being paid to continue to entertain me with their turn of a phrase. You can *write* and write well, but don't be afraid of the joke. Don't be afraid to make people laugh out loud. It's one of the most powerful feelings in the world. Anyone can make a person cry... *Pinch* Or, you could talk about dead puppies. You'll get someone crying, to be sure.

Ultimately, I want to remind people of how FUNNY the writers of ME are. Come on, the mental picture Angel gets of what he'd look like dancing at a party? Remember how good Cordy used to be? Lord, was that character funny. Demon Rogue Hunter?? "You do! You do doodle, too!" That's gold, baby. So you have someone that I love (and will 'til the day I die) crazydiamondsue who writes some owie, chest clutching fic. And has a joke to break the tension. Which underscores the owie. And makes the characters more real. This post brought to you by the Crazydiamond Sue for President Foundation

And I know there are a bunch of you on my flist who avoid my parodies like the PLAGUE. I know who you are, dont think you're fooling me. And I know it's because you worship the ground James, or David (or fill in the blank walks upon, and to read about Spike being miniaturized and shoved up Angel's bum is distasteful. I can't believe I just wrote that sentence. Ha!! But... I write that as a comic foil to the angst and OOC stuff I find out there. Little One? And Spike (a mass-murderer who most likely killed over 10,000 people - 2 bodies a week for 126 years, thanks karabair for the math) cuddle wuddles in Angel's lap and purrs? I just... Huh? Did you not WATCH the same show as me?

And so... I mock. Good-naturedly, and nothing I wouldn't call myself on. But I'm a fan of the Airplane movies and of Top Secret and Jim frickin' Carrey, so it should be expected that I'm sacriligeous. But the funny (to me, at least) is to take these super serious scenarios (say... childhood prostitution) and make them so far-fetched that you can't help but laugh at it. I'll be the first to say that pedophilia and incest make me want to light torches and burn the monster. But.

Someone commented on the Connie fic and said: I love how EVERYONE wants to be with Connie. Thanks!! You GOT IT!! I'd say 90% of my flist HATES Connor. (Which is a topic for another day because you people don't underSTAND!) So, I'll make him the object of everyone's affection, including his dad's. Who normally can't be affectionate because he'll turn into a monster. So let's make him a monster if he DOESN'T sleep with his kid. Absurdity: it's a way of life. Or poor Spike. How that vamp's cock hasn't fallen off with the sheer volume of fucking he does... So I'll make him 5 inches tall and climb up someone's butt and make it about his PARTNER instead of the glorious 15 Foot Dick he has. That egresses. Soupy cream of cum. WOW.

I guess ultimately, I'm rebelling against the lack (I could be just missing them. PLEASE let me know where to find the Jossonianesque - heh- fics) of humor amongst the angst, pain, love, sex, food. Always need food. Or maybe I just need lunch.

I know not everyone likes the stuff I bring to the table. This isn't about that. It's about living in darkness and angst in EVERYTHING. And, to use a famous quote, "I can't help you out of that hole if I climb down in it with you."

I'll be over here, playing with my toys, wishing you all a great, sunshiney, happy-filled day.

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sdwolfpup
May. 3rd, 2005 12:46 pm (UTC)
There is so much here I want to comment on (especially the I LOVE CAROL BURNETT OMG; I watched her show all the time when I was a kid and I adored her; I even watched the reunion special a few months ago!) but mostly I'm dropping in to pass on this link in case you haven't seen it because it has saved my sanity the last two days:

http://www.superdickery.com/dick/1.html

Superman Is A Dick.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:09 pm (UTC)
Okay. The love I have for you is so strong at this moment... Red twenty-two!! I think I wet myself in the theater when that came out. I was practically laying on the floor during the "sneak into the tank room at the party" scene. When He jumps onto the wall and slides, let's his arm dangle, then opens and walks in? Oh, GOD. SO FUNNY. Einhorn is a man.

Now.

I have laughed and loved that page since the moment I was linked to it. My bud marlo showed me that a while back and there was much rejoicing yay!

Have you been to Maddox's website?
leeannaray
May. 3rd, 2005 12:58 pm (UTC)
I can't believe you referenced "Top Secret". I loved that movie, but I didn't think anyone else remembered it.

I definitely think you're right about the lack of humor in Buffy/Angel fic. I love angst, but without the snark it just doesn't feel right.

So please keep on writing the funny stuff, because it does help us get through the days, with our sanity intact.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:12 pm (UTC)
I drove my husband CRAZY on our honeymoon to Eastern Europe (and not the chicky bow way) because everytime we passed a shop I would say (in a thick German accent):

Souveneeeers, Nol-vulteees, Pahr-tee Trrrricks. Hee!! I know a little German, he's sitting right over there.

Are you reading Sue? If not, you really should be. She writes angst with great jokes. Karabair is another one. Her "Borogroves" fic is par excellance.
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smashsc
May. 3rd, 2005 01:04 pm (UTC)
sunshiney happy icon! pretty!

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Parody doesn't work for me most of the time (no offense intended) because I just don't think that part of my funny bone is there. I also don't have a gross-out comedy funny bone.

I'm just not a big fan most types of funny. I do read your parodies sometimes but usually I'll pass them over. When I do read them I recognize them as good parody but still not really my cuppa. Like I recognize the genius of Space Balls but it never makes me laugh.

I think it is alot easy to make everyone cry than to make everyone laugh.

So, yeah, I guess this is just to say that some of us are just prickly sumbitches who don't like humor for humor's sake. I love the humor in the Buffy moments you mentioned or Bob Newhart type humor or observational humor.

Long answer short. I do think you write good parody. Parody just ain't my thing. It has nothing to do with how much I do or don't love the things being parodied.

*crosses fingers in hopes I haven't offended*
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:16 pm (UTC)
See, and I have no issues with folks not liking parody as a genre. No. Worries. This isn't about me and my writing, it's about the lack of funny. I've seen people request fics with "no humor." Huh? (And not fic from me, because that would be understood.)

This is about people hating FUNNY. I know you don't hate FUNNY. I was trying (and probably not very well - I'm multitasking while I'm typing) to say I know there are all kinds of funny. All-kinds. but it seems like a lot of people either HATE the funny, or are afraid of it - as in, writing it. And that's just silly.

Babe, you can't offend me. Really. I'm just waxing philosophic on why people hate comedy as a whole. (I don't expect everyone to like my shit. It's pretty out there.)
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zyrya
May. 3rd, 2005 01:10 pm (UTC)
Yes yes yes YES dammit yes.

There's too much angst in real life. I've been having a hard time lately, and it's been things like Connie and some badfic mocking that have given me desperately needed relief. When the Dog Situation was at its darkest, I dragged the BW to my study and we read the latest Connie and listened to your glorious singing, and for half an hour we just relaxed and had fun and didn't think about illness and guilt and woe. Thank you so much for that.

::kisses your perfect Texan toes::

I read some of the dark and dangerous fic out there, but I can't say I love it, as a rule. Sometimes the writing is just too good to pass up, but give me a funny-sexy-smart fic any day. It bugs the hell out of me that the darkfic writers get all the serious cred. Writing comedy is bloody hard work! Yes, there has to be dramatic tension, and of course toffee-sweet schmoop is sickly, but if I wanted to be miserable I'd watch the news.

I'm ranting now! I need a cig.

Thank you for Connie and Lubed! and The Sound of Sucking and Princess 99 Wampum and The Little Vampire Mermaid or whatever perverted deviance is next on the drawing board. May the bluebird of happiness nest in your hair.

(And Lucille Ball was horrendous, but if I start on her I'll rant myself into a seizure. But it would be a funny seizure!)
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:20 pm (UTC)
I... I want to make you babies. Out of cheese and fruit, mind. COmedy is FUCKING hard to write. That's why so many "comedies" fall flat. Think of the movies you love to quote that are funny. Not very many, I'd wager... Now, I'm not trying to pat myself on the back here.

I just... Take Dovil. But not from me, please. She's so naturally comical, and is a joy to read, how can you not like funny?? Or Sue: she can write the hurty, but she'll throw in some jokes and lighten it up. Or Posh with her tee hee sexiness and smut. Yes, please! Take me away from the minutiae of life....

And Lucille Ball gets me so angry, I could spit. Queen of Comedy my ass. A more misogynistic show, I can't find. I get really stressed out from people doing things they shouldn't be doing, and that's the WHOLE POINT OF HER SHOW. Bleh. Carol Burnett, please. Amy Poehler, or Tina Fey. Bernadette Peters. Madeline Kahn. THOSE are my heroes. Oh, and Jane Espenson. I would cry if I met her.

*laughs at your seizure*
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beadattitude
May. 3rd, 2005 01:16 pm (UTC)
L'il Brudder! Dat little guy....da heart of a champion....

Amen, sister. A-men.

I sometime equate the no-funny phenomenon (and Anne Rice carriers fans is a great theory) with the writer having a tin-ear. They didn't hear the same music with the same rhythms that I did. They sho' did not. Mm-mm-mm.

I still crack up just thinking Mrs. huWiggins. That and the fact that my opthalmologist growing up was the spitting image of the little white-haired shuffling man Tim Conway used to play.

I have a strange disorder called "Lucy-itis." Sometimes when a character is about to make an absolute idiot of themselves, I have to leave the room or hide my eyes. Just like I used to when "I love Lucy was on. She just made me shudder. And that fake cry....::shudders::

::bats eyes:: I don't know how much of my stuff you've read, but I try to bring the funny. Check out aftermath_fic (There's funny, I swear! Even before Spike gets there! or my memories. Go for "Won't be Just Any Night" or "Vivid Memory."

I'm a shameless hussy, I am.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:24 pm (UTC)
HEE!! I knew I'd reel you in on the L'il Brudder bit. Bwah ah ha... l'il brudder....

Tin-ear. I will cross stitch that onto a pillow. I need to remember that. And I always thought I was alone on the Lucille Ball hate. See the comments above with zyrya on that wench.

Are you not posting in your regular LJ? I will check them out IMMEDIATELY. I swear, contrary to how my fingers words stuff in here, I am as loyal to my buds as can be. I may not read everything, but I will love you for you and buy you pretties and braid your hair, if you're "mine."

*toddles off to read it ALL*
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inlovewithnight
May. 3rd, 2005 01:19 pm (UTC)
::loves you like crazy:: Humor is the saving grace of, oh, pretty much everything. And thank you for bringing smiles. :)

::mental note to rewatch the dancing scene in "She" again:: That scene is the entire reason I bought the s1 DVDs. Hee.

Puppet Angel agrees!
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:25 pm (UTC)
Puppet Angel!! How goddamned funny was that?? ANd I need to ammend the above to include you. YOU appreciate the goodness of a joke, a well turned phrase, and make sure to put some in every fic, just like Joss and Co.

*hugs you because of your YOU-ness*

Are you doing okay? Finals beating you down? Take my advice: you know what you know, and cramming is only going to stress you out. SIt on a chair outside, drink a yummy drink, breathe deep. Thinking HARD about you this week!!
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savoytruffle
May. 3rd, 2005 01:24 pm (UTC)
yes, yes, yes. there should always be funny and too many fics forget that. irreverent humor at inappropriate moments is what made the show so damn good. yes.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:26 pm (UTC)
YES!!! It's the Breakfast Club scenario: tension breaker, had to be done.

*soaks up all of your fics this week to add to the list of people who GET IT!!*
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yin_again
May. 3rd, 2005 01:39 pm (UTC)
Sing it, sister - angst in the pants is all great and stuff, but sometimes you just want to laugh so hard you traumatize the dog.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:51 pm (UTC)
You know. *nods* You can do it: marry the hurty and the owie and the pretty pretty words and then make me laugh and then sigh.

That ain't easy, sistah.

*buys you sparkly things and flowers*
mpoetess
May. 3rd, 2005 01:48 pm (UTC)
Yes, thank you. Which is not to say I have never written (or read and enjoyed) a short angsty fic that lacks funny due to the length, or tried for funny and missed by a mile, because dude. But fiction that misses the fact that all of these characters have a sense of humor, and say clever things, even if sometimes the funny is bitter funny, is... not my cuppa. It's not that the author misses the core of the character's personality, sometimes, but that they've grabbed the characters and set them down in a world where humor is forgotten, and language is flat and everyday, instead of Jossian. It's an issue I've had with several stories that a lot of folks love to pieces due to the structure or the angst, etc. -- they just lose me not because of the amount if angst, but because there's no humor. Or the humor, if there, is... fake? Not Buffyverse humor? There is funny, or attempts at it, but it doesn't match th canon speech patterns of the characters.

Much like Xander in S6 -- he got jokes to tell, and lines that were supposed to be funny, but it's like he was telling jokes. Vs. being Xander, whose brain and vocabulary are naturally clever and amusing. Same thing happened with Buffy and Willow to a lesser extent, though Spike made out all right in the humorous dialogue department, I think. I agree -- much of the problem of S6 was not just the depression and characterisation issues, but the lack of humor in the dialogue.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:55 pm (UTC)
*nods*
YES. ANd I should say that I love some angst, and some hurt, because it's REAL. But you said it best: the author put them in a world where humor is forgotten.

I guess I'm talking about long fics, or series, because I've written ficlets that are short and anything but sweet because it's a GLIMPSE into their world. But it ain't the no humor world you mentioned.

I wonder how much fanfiction ME was reading while mapping out S6... you can have dark and hurty and characters falling into the pit of their own making, but the SNARK!! *sobs* Give me back my snark....
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stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 01:59 pm (UTC)
What an AWESOME icon!!
God, violethamster is SO GODDAMN FUNNY. And she can cut straight to my heart, too. Yes, yes to Spikendru... Paynbow became my friend because she is so flipping joyful and funny, and there aren't enough people like that in life to satisfy me,

Oh! And julia_here is so dry and funny, I keep chapstick around to wet my whistle.

[mommy-ing Sue] Baby, you need to take a little B complex for that low-blood pressure. My Grandma swore by it, and she had LOOOOW BP. No!! No broken funny-bone! Funny that you keep yours in your ass.[/mommy-ing Sue]

I love you too! NOT. (kill me for saying that.)
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winterlive
May. 3rd, 2005 02:02 pm (UTC)
Listen to me.

Spike: "Fancy a game, pet?"
Xander: "Sure! I can promise much entertainment, but I warn you: I'm second only to my drunk uncle Rory in spatial relations and hand-eye co-ordination. Your chances are pretty good."

That right there is the line I remember most out of all the lines I've ever written. Cause it's funny. Do you - okay, you do, but the rest of you - have ANY idea how much harder it is to write funny than angst? OMG!

Stoney, you win. You win at LIFE.

*uses icon of connor!love, because you're right about that TOO*
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 02:17 pm (UTC)
Uhnf. Connor. Feral, skin wearing, fighting Connor. *egresses all OVER*

Okay the "I'm second only.." line made me HOWL. Ha ha ha!!! ANd YOU get it, too. You bring the ha ha and the hurty. (And you do gooood hurty. And hot.)

And, if I may quote Monica Gellar, "It's hard for some people!!"
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marsterslady
May. 3rd, 2005 02:10 pm (UTC)
I wonder If SMG ever watches that and wishes she could have pulled those pretty pants out of her crack?)

Hee! I agree with so much that you said. I wade through fics, and just give up completely, because everyone is about the hurting. Everyone. There's no moment that just makes me laugh. And I'm just reiterating what you said, aren't I? There's just .. there's a reason I don't read a lot of fanfic, even though it is written by very talented people.

I think you're fantastic. Thank you for always bringing the funny.

Einhorn is a man!
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 02:20 pm (UTC)
"Einhorn is a man!" That line will NEVER not be funny to me. As won't this: "Son... You got a panty on your head!" Or: "I'll be taking these Huggies, and any cash you have in that drawer."

Everything you said. About the constant angst. I want to ESCAPE the pain of life, people!! And I'm a lot like you: I'm here to read about people and their lives, mostly. (Newt: Mostly.) Because I can't take anymore PAIN, omg.

You noticed the pants up her butt, too? I felt a little bad for her. Little bit... Then I cried for her poor, broken body. Then I remember the line: "A Lot" and I smile.
ex_dovil323
May. 3rd, 2005 02:17 pm (UTC)
*loves you till there's nothing left of you but a puddle of squished Stoney and OMG the angst and the tearing of clothes and the pitiful wailing from all*

By the time I was 10 I'd seen Airplane so many times that I knew the lines practically by wrote. I LOVE all that stuff with the passion of a gazillion suns because sometimes it's like when someone has your sense of humour it's an immediate connection. Humour is such a personal thing that when it's shared it's just brilliant. Like cake, but I'm not sharing because it's all mine.

And hey, way to go cracking the whole season six thing, because wow, you're so right. That IS one of the reasons why it's my least favourite and I'd never clicked on to it before. And look at that, Season Four is my favourite and for me it probably was the funniest season.

That's one of the reasons why I love this fandom, it's attracted people into it that were lured in by the funny. Which is why if I ever meet Joss Whedon I'm going to crack his skull open and lick his brain ALL over. So I'm really hoping it's after he brings out the last of the Buffyverse stuff.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 02:22 pm (UTC)
*punches you and steals your CAKE*

About S6... It hit me while typing this. Such a "duh!" moment.

*gives you Bernaise sauce and fava beans for Joss brain licking*

I hope you saw all the Dovil love going up up there in the threads of this post. Because honey, you bring the FUNNEH. I am going to fangirl you when we meet up in September. But I won't lick your brains.

Hard.
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elucidate_this
May. 3rd, 2005 02:52 pm (UTC)
so here's my question. which is worse, funny not brought, or poorly executed funny?

i agree with you in giant capital letter type agreement but...

in my own writing i don't go for the funny very often. mostly because i don't think i'm a particularly funny writer. i'm a pretty funny person in real life, but a lot of that funny relies on a careful combination of self-deprecation and funny noises and hand gestures. in terms of trying to write funny things i have a hard time.

i think this is part of why i tend to stick to short pieces (i have two long WIPs that i started last summer but we will not speak of them). i think that you can have a short piece that is angsty as hell. or even angsty with a sweet resolution without the necessity of intense and well executed humor.

the humor is SO key to the jossverse, but as someone who doesn't write it well i tend not to write it much at all.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 03:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, getting the noises and hand-gestures out in a fic is nigh on impossible *checks to see if you are ME?*

I would have to say that I appreciate the attempt. Honest and for true. So, if that's what's holding you back, don't let it. I'll recognize the joke, give you props, and keep on keeping on.

I mentioned above in a thread that for short fics, or ficlets (which tend to read like a missing scene, yes?) it's appropriate to have one emotion running strong: angst, hurt, love, sex, whatever. No issues with that, and I've written some short fics without the funny.

But I guess I'm referring to some who write and write and write and it's all so sad and dreary and ouchie and on and on and on and they've obviously read a LOT of Anne Rice and everything is so BLEAK. And they enter a ficathon/swap thing and say for the line: what WON'T you read/write, and they reply: humor.

And my chin drops.

Because... didn't you watch the show? You won't READ humor? (You make a valid point about the writing of it, but reading??) I guess that overall, I'm a happy person, an optimist, a bright-light kind of person, and I delight in dragging people up here in the sunshine with me. ANd watching that grin crack across their face. So... I kinda don't "get" someone who HATES the funny.

But you've made a valid point about being uncomfortable WRITING it. My knee-jerk is to go for it, but then, I'm not taking into account those who are perfectionists, and if it ain't perfect, they don't want it.

Oh, I love having my tree shook. :-D
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likeadeuce
May. 3rd, 2005 03:56 pm (UTC)
Hear hear, my love! I honestly haven't been keeping up with the parodies just because I have SO DAMN MUCH to do, and to read. But you're completely right in principle. Buffyverse canon is generally speaking much funnier than fic. Just for example, I know a lot of people who didn't like "The Girl in Question" -- which I love -- and I certainly understand that POV's differ, especially about what's funny, but one of the objections I've heard was that it was "too late in the series" for a funny episode. And I don't get that at all because the Angel/Spike/Buffy love triangle did need to be addressed and it IS a little absurd so addressing it in a sobbing, angsty serious way would not, to me, have been true to the spirit of the story.

If you're looking for funny stories, I definitely recommend the ones in because Harmony! I'm particularly pimping wisdomeagle's Wes/Harmony entry because it's on that gorgeous edge of humor and despair: Tokens Exchanged on the Road to Enlightenment. And remember the canon? Yeah, Wes/Illyria was such a sad dynamic, but even in their very serious conversations, Joss slips in that shrimp world reference, and Illyria reminds Wes that he called her a smurf and he SMILES because he is so proud of his damn depressed joke.

um. . .did I have a point? I'm sure I did. Oh yeah:

dying's easy. comedy is hard. (and dude, I really want to go back to writing Spike, which I haven't done for ages, just because he ought to find a use for that line). But seriously, I just think it's harder to write good comedy, and even harder to be confident about it because it's NOT going to push everybody's buttons. Ever. I mean, I know people who don't think "Arrested development" is funny. I know people who don't think THE MARX BROTHERS are funny. And I -- honestly? I don't think MASH is funny.

there's that point, escaping me again.

*shakes fist* Damn you, Stoney, you're making me think!!!
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC)
how can you not like AD???
HA HA HA!! Now, did you read the threads and see the love sent your way? For the ability to stick to canon, meaning: funny sad ouchie hurty funny sexy?

Feel the love, toots.

(Oh, and if you have a chance in the near future... there's been more fic in my LJ than just the parodies. Say, some Connor/Angel/Fred? And Crusilla? I'm very happy with it, and I don't say that about my stuff often. Next part goes up tomorrow.) I need to read Ch. 3 of your Harmony fic, too.
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likeadeuce
May. 3rd, 2005 03:57 pm (UTC)
oops, edit. what I'm trying to say is, I'm pimping harmficathon
crayonbreakygal
May. 3rd, 2005 05:04 pm (UTC)
Couldn't have said it better. I love some funny fics, some fluffy fics, some angsty fics, whatever, just as long as it's good. And it has Wes in it, but that's another story altogether. You are right when you say that writing comedy is the hardest. I usually try and stick a few jokes/snarks in to lighten it up. But I write mostly a little more angsty than you do. Jossverse was about the snark and the jokes and living life to its fullest.

That's why I like reading your stuff. It makes me laugh until I cry, it makes me feel better when I'm down, etc., etc. I love Carol Burnett, have never read Ann Rice (maybe a little of her smut stuff), cried like a baby during The Body, and didn't breathe when Buffy jumped. She had a wedgie? Really? I never noticed. I never notice those things. Hehehe.

I just wish I could write comedy better. Every line anyone ever remembers from anything I write is usually the funny/snarky line. Figures. It takes a lot of practice and patience to write comedy. Keep it coming, please. I need my fix!
stoney321
May. 4th, 2005 06:29 pm (UTC)
How did I miss this yesterday? And my poor, poor, SMG. Forever emblazoned in the most beautiful and selfless act of Buffy's life: with a hungry butt.

I will fix you ALL up!! And I laugh at the line, "I write more angsty than you do." Well, DUH! Everyone does. Ha!! Because I am Sofa King Wee Todd It. No, I think I do the Wee!Spike silly stuff as a backlash to all of the dark, dead, dying, owchie fic.

I think I'm just venting, really.
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spikendru
May. 3rd, 2005 05:27 pm (UTC)
One of my very favorite fics of all time is Mahaliem's "Amnesia!Spike", because I've read it over and over and I still laugh while reading. And for any on your flist looking for a good source of humor, check out Insane in the Basement, RedDwarfette's archive of excellent humor fics--some dark, some snark, some fluff . . . but all funny.
somecandytalkin
May. 3rd, 2005 05:57 pm (UTC)
He'll see the big board!
I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.

P.O.E.

*loved reading this*
*loves you*
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC)
Children's... ice cream?
You know they refrence P.O.E. in Raising Arizona, and because you know that, you are now being adopted by me, and I'm building you a special car pillow and making you a crown.

Holy shit, I did my THESIS on that movie. I had my teacher in stitches. Too bad he wasn't hot. I could have nailed him.

HA HA HA!!

"Hi? That was beautiful."
reremouse
May. 3rd, 2005 06:20 pm (UTC)
Sing it sister!
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 06:35 pm (UTC)
*sings*
Tra la la BOOM de ay
Did you get yours today?
I got mine yesterday
That's why I walk this way.

You're another one. You know how to bring the funny along with everything else. I BOGGLE at your abilities, no shit.
tabaqui
May. 3rd, 2005 06:54 pm (UTC)
I absolutely agree.
There HAS to be humor, but man - i just can't do it consistently. I've written stuff that i THOUGHT was funny, but i guess it didn't appeal...

To me, though, funny is Rosalind Russel in 'Auntie Mame' or Katherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracey in 'Desk Set'....

And most important, humor is REAL LIFE. When something dreadful happens, there is ALWAYS the joke or the horribly funny comment, because that's how real humans COPE.

So yes! Bring on the funny!
_divya_
May. 3rd, 2005 07:53 pm (UTC)
God, you are so right about the funny as it applies to BtVS/AtS, honey. I'd say more, but I just watched a devastating movie, and I'm dead of love from it. Not much with the coherency at the moment, but you know I'm right there with you.
stoney321
May. 3rd, 2005 09:06 pm (UTC)
I need to know what you watched!!!

See, there's a reason why I'm getting excited about meeting you in September. Partly because of the penguin....
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hellziggy
May. 3rd, 2005 09:46 pm (UTC)
You're so smart!
You are totally right about the humor being the key to why Jossverse is soooo wonderful! (Well, that, and the hotness that is Spike)
I have to admit tht I haven't read most of your parodies, but that's because if I don't know the original story the parody loses a lot (I've never seen The Godfather... Don't tell anyone, k?).
I've just recently come to this whole fanfiction thing & I don't write, I just read. But I've noticed that my favorites to read are the ones that have the charactors dead on, snark & all. Because I've just started reading this stuff I've got way more recs to read than I can keep up with and now I've gotta bookmark this entry too cuz it's chock full of more "must reads!" It's a good thing the semester's done tomorrow & I've got my nights free again. :)
wendylouwho
May. 4th, 2005 12:33 am (UTC)
Thanks for the birthday wishes, Stoney. I really appreciate it.

I really needed this today. Thanks for giving me so many laughs since I came to LJ. And OMG!!1!!11! I *heart* Carol Burnett. We never missed the Carol Burnett Show around our house.
stoney321
May. 4th, 2005 06:30 pm (UTC)
Hooray!! Happy birthday, toots!
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