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Yo! agentslander! Aka IJ's marieantoinette! I see you've disabled non-friend comments on your latest "They're attacking the Mormons, see?? We're soooo oppressed, you guys! We need to explore our feelings with a Jewish suffering-based porn RPG, zomg." I find it VERY INTERESTING that I'm the ONLY PERSON you refuse to reply to. VERY interesting. Probably because you know that I have your number. I know all the bullshit you're saying because most people DON'T know anything about Mormons or their history. And I'm not "someone with Mormons in their family" as if I know nothing. Honey, when you learn anything about your own "faith" then we can have a discussion. For now? You get the Clue-By-Four. So here's the comment I'm unable to post to you. Oh, I'll track you down. You are the second type of Mormon I can't stand: the one that wants all the privileges and protection of belonging to a group without CONTRIBUTING to said group. (The first is the die-hard controlling, woman hating, power hungry, priesthood is the key type, if anyone wanted to know.)

...and I should mention this was my first comment about this, this was my booyahkasha moment deaux, first paragraph only. Her reply to any? Silence.

Man, I don't even have to read this whole thing to start finding your own inability to practice what you preach.

My opinion is that you cannot dwell on history. I am not saying that means get over it. I am saying that if you continue to hold resentment over something that has happened in the past, then the hatred and animosity will continue.

So... when are you going to follow that? Like you say in the next paragraph, Joseph was murdered. That was 1844. That is officially the past. That is officially when the persecution against Mormons ended. (Crack a book and learn something, please. My family was a part of the Martin Handcart company, so don't tell me what I know, please.)

People not wanting the missionaries in their home isn't being treated like shit, and that doesn't equal THE ENTIRE FAITH being persecuted. Missionaries push themselves onto people (something you obv. know nothing about as you've clearly not served a mission) so it is fitting that people PUSH BACK. Again? Not persecution. Yeah, that 70% population of Mormons that control everything in the state of Utah? Persecuted. By who, exactly?

And let's get something out here, "Marie." You're NOT Mormon. Oh, you may have been baptized in the church, but you're not active. You're (by your own user infos) bi-sexual. That's not allowed. You write (or try to write) porn and play in porny RPGs. That's not allowed. What would John Bytheway say? You don't "Choose the Right." You don't have your endowments, and take the sacrament and go regularly and jump through all those hoops. Give me a fucking break. You've been conditioned by the church to automatically knee-jerk and say "We're being oppressed! Help! He's oppressing me!"

But you're not. You're not tagged and rounded up.(Jews) You're not denied entry into countries. (Afghani) You're not systematically raped because of you simply being a woman. (Darfur.)

So STFU, quit clinging to the Mormon Church as if you give a shit, and LEARN SOME THINGS before you spout off. And this from your teal deer?

We were slandering them.


And you typed: (my commentary in red)

I do understand it and can understand the prejudice on a much smaller scale by being Mormon (our leader was murdered [because he was raping people's daughters and screwing their wives, did you know? Of course not.], the early mormons were forced out of their homes, our churches and temples were burned [No, they weren't. Kirkland still stands, and Navoo was destroyed BY THE MORMONS so it wouldn't be "sullied." Crack a book, please.] and most didn't survive the trail to Utah [because of Brigham Young not wanting to spend any of the money he'd aquired by taking control the church. They were still living The United Order at time, aka COMMUNISM, and how do I know? Because several of my family members DIED ALONG THE WAY. They were not murdered. They chose to leave and follow a miserly dick.], then there were groups murdered [no, there weren't - not on this time line], the us government thought we were creating an army [BECAUSE THEY WERE. Joseph was the fucking GENERAL you half-wit! Then Brigham had the Mormon Milita! Wow, you are really uneducated.] and we had to hide our temple [NO THEY DIDN'T. What the hell? From who, the Ute Indians? Jesus H.], today we still deal with people who don't understand and call us a cult [BECAUSE YOU ARE. Look at these answers of yours, and you're not even ACTIVE!], who treat our missionaries like complete shit [possibly because the missionaries stand outside the Vatican and call the Catholic Church the WHORE OF BABYLON? Gosh, people *do* treat the Mormons poorly. By not joining or opening the door], who think we're all polygamists and practice incest [now you're just reaching], that we do outrageous and vile ceremonies in our temples), but no, since millions of us haven't been slaughtered, I don't know what the prejudice is like. [Oho. We're not talking PREJUDICE, you silly, stupid girl. We're talking PERSECUTION. I see how you could get confused, though. They're both "P" words. *pouts* Words are hard, you gaiz!]

All it takes is one thing to be blown out of proportion, spread like wild fire and there you've got yourself "a fact".

I believe that is how the Mormon Church was started. Again, see that my family is full of General Authorities, Apostles, Quorum of the 70 leaders, all stretching back to the early days of the church. So again: STFU about how you suddenly "feel" for the Mormon Church. Is it because it's the only straw you can grasp? I believe so.

Find another way to sublimate your racism. Saying you have been persecuted, zomg, so you can persecute others isn't a defense. Saying you have German heritage waaaaay down the line, so it's a way for you to cope with your past isn't a defense. Also? Y'all are writing a PORN RPG. How the fuck is that any intellectual endeavor? Honey, I write porn, and it's all about the low-down tickle, not expanding your mind. That's the shit 18 year old boys say when they want to try and get you to take it up the ass, you know, "just the tip."

Last thing, and then I'm seriously done with you: CENSORSHIP would be kicking your game to the curb, aka: bahleetion. You changing your RPGs name is a sign of RESPECT. Jesus, someone hit this chick with a Webster's Dictionary (or the OED) and upside the head, stat.

Open. A. Book. Didn't you claim to be "intellectual?" Where? In your shoe choice? The type of eggs you purchase? Where is there ANY THOUGHT backed up by reason and logic anywhere? It doesn't exist, you are a fool. You really should feel shame for being such a fool. Good fucking hell.

Give me a fucking break. Side note to the heavens/Yahweh/PTB: Thank you. I've needed this. Best. Present. Ever. (Oh, and the new name - see subject heading - could possibly be the LibbyMarieAntoinette Syndrome.)

Palate cleanser to make sure we have a good day:



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May. 6th, 2008 01:57 pm (UTC)
Those ranting pants are so hot on you.
May. 6th, 2008 01:59 pm (UTC)
*drops a hankie and slooooowly bends over to pick it up*

I figure, everyone's hit her on her dumb "Jews should get over it, tchuh!" comment, I should hit the meat of why she's so stupid. :D
May. 6th, 2008 02:32 pm (UTC)
This is a thing of beauty. ♥
May. 6th, 2008 03:34 pm (UTC)
She wouldn't respond to any of the other comments I've made, although in the same thread in amireal's journal she commented to everyone else. Telling, that.

<3 <3 <3
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May. 6th, 2008 02:54 pm (UTC)
One good thing came of this: someone was able to be much more articulate and un-full of rage than I am able to be. Also she was able to comment, which I wasn't. *g*

(this is LJ user aesc)

espectfully, it was not Nazi-like at all. The Nazis were a political party, with the organization and bureaucracy of a formal government (however perverse) behind it, and a specific agenda that disregarded ethical and moral barriers in the worst possible way. The people who have been arguing with you haven't conspired to deprive you of your right to an online presence, haven't hacked the community account and deleted it or hacked your personal journals. Even if they had, it wouldn't make them Nazi-like, even in the loosest sense. Further, your RPG can hardly be considered comparable to a minority that had no realistic option to change its race or religion (and had no inclination to, nor should they have had such an inclination). By claiming those who disagree with you are Nazi-like, you're inferring a moral/ethical blindness and mob mentality (and a level of organization with destructive intent) that would be insulting to most people; in alluding to Nazi-like behavior, you are devaluing their pain and anger, whether you mean to or not.

Wow. Thank you. That was exactly what I wanted to point out, but you stated it much better than I could have and with an amazing clarity of thought. It's people like you that give me faith in humanity.
May. 6th, 2008 03:47 pm (UTC)
I read her comment and LOVED IT. I'm beyond able to sit calmly like a kindergarten teacher and be patient with this girl. I'm glad other people are able to.

It's mind boggling to me how this kid just does not get it. WTF? Concentration camps are just like Azkaban, so we use pictures of models making horns to write RPG porn. How is this offensive? *smack against the back of her head*
May. 6th, 2008 03:05 pm (UTC)
May. 6th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
See icon. :)
May. 6th, 2008 03:05 pm (UTC)
We need to have sex RIGHT NOW!
May. 6th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
GET IN MY BELLEH. <-- if we were having bad!fic sex. :D

I'm about to get a murder boner, M.
May. 6th, 2008 03:36 pm (UTC)
since millions of us haven't been slaughtered, I don't know what the prejudice is like.

Um. Yes?

Why is this so difficult for people to comprehend? NOTHING is the same as having millions of your people SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATED. Ever.


P.S. I love you.

Edited at 2008-05-06 03:37 pm (UTC)
May. 6th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
Isn't she crazy? Like from Crazyville, crazy floor of crazy building?

And if she thinks she knows the meaning of extermination of her people, allow me to be the muthafuckin ORKIN MAN on her ass.

AND DITTO, Sweet cheeks.
May. 6th, 2008 03:44 pm (UTC)
I wish I could have something to say in response tht is as keenly expressed and concise--and effective--as your words.

But I can't, so I'll just bask in the thermonuclear afterglow. :D
May. 6th, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
And she keeps avoiding all the Mormons = Jews rebuttals from me. Hmmm. Can't imagine why...

Possibly because she has no hover craft to keep her upright when she has no leg to stand on.
May. 6th, 2008 03:53 pm (UTC)
Man, I wish she hadn't locked down comments in her journal before you woke up!
May. 6th, 2008 03:56 pm (UTC)
ME, TOO. however, I love that LJ allows you to "send a message to this user" on the UI page.

I've been doing just that. :D Your icon is made of puppies and sunshine and sparkles.
May. 6th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)
Miss Let Them Eat Cake is, indeed, a bit too much of a Princess to be believed.

I would have more bogglement over the utter historical ignorance of these sprouts if I hadn't had kids taking what passes for history classes in public schools recently.

Julia, please assume long rantification about the discontinuity and sketchiness of the history curriculum, yo
May. 6th, 2008 03:59 pm (UTC)
It's really breath taking, the lack of sense on her part coupled with her own self-proclamation of being an intellect.

And while I agree that history in public schools is lacking, she's got a special flavor of dumb at work here intensifying the stupid.
May. 6th, 2008 04:24 pm (UTC)
Also, we need a new Godwin's Law for a Godwin's Law based wank.

I was thinking this VERY SAME THING. This wank deserves its OWN LAW.

Also: You win at Mormon history, and P words.

And I'd like to kick in a little toward the Bill Stickers Legal Defense Fund. Let us know where we can contribute. :D
May. 6th, 2008 04:32 pm (UTC)
It needs a new law, absolutely. Wait, she's too ignorant to warrant a law. Might I suggest a Theory? :D

Isn't that sign hilarious? I walk away, I come back, I still laugh.

(And as I'm writing a book on Mormons and the Mormon Culture, I think that selling that might be my best revenge. *rubs hands*)
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May. 6th, 2008 04:25 pm (UTC)
Uses only religious icon. . .
I honestly don't think she is capable of understanding She shows a complete lack of cognitive flexibility and she's never going to get it. People like this chick grow up internalizing every little thing an authority figure (parent, prophet, whatever) tells them is true about the world and they simply cannot think for themselves and reason about issues in any kind of advanced, abstract way.

It makes me so sad about the world, because there are always going to be people like her who just will NEVER get it because the combo of their personality features and brain-meat deficits will make it impossible. Unless all the religious authorities (because, lets be honest, that's where a lot of the right-wing authoritarian/socially dominant oriented people look for instructions on how to think) start being incredibly tolerant and start believing in the importance of basic human rights and treating all other people with dignity and respect-- then we'll be ok.


In other news, BILL STICKERS IS INNOCENT may be my new journal title. That made me laugh out loud.

May. 6th, 2008 04:34 pm (UTC)
Same here...
Exactly, she really can't comprehend. Excellent point about her internalizing everything her personal authority figures have told her. (But it was in a book! That means it's true! Even though it was a religious vanity press...) I want to hold your second paragraph to my heart and make it all better, all while agreeing with every word you wrote.

That sign makes me laugh every time I see it. THAT, my friends, IS SOMEONE USING THEIR NOODLE. For the Greater Good. :D

In conclusion, come over and make out with me. (At least lemme get you liquored up.)
May. 6th, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC)
1) Sex now, seriously
May. 6th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
1) get the "basket" properly oiled, check.
2) It's just The Man trying to keep Bill Stickers down!!!
May. 6th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
I know you've been getting lots of "You win, you rock, you are the QUEEN of AWESOME" comments, but I couldn't resist giving you one more.

You're neat.


May. 6th, 2008 08:24 pm (UTC)
Because seriously, I hate being told that. HATE IT. I'm lying. :D

Dear Mae:
You are made of heart shaped stickers and sunshine.
Love, Me.
May. 6th, 2008 06:06 pm (UTC)
You are fantastic. <3
May. 6th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC)
No, YOU are! <3 (And can I just say how JEALOUS I am that you three have been hanging out in the 'Bama? Why oh why couldn't you have moved one week earlier when I was there? *woeful noises*
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May. 6th, 2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
*shakes head at all the weirdoes*

And just to make you laugh, I originally read this post this morning, when it first went up, and I was trying to figure out who the heck Bill Stickers was and why he was being prosecuted. Feel free to laugh your behind off at me. I just did. *grins*
May. 6th, 2008 08:22 pm (UTC)
Oh, bless your little heart. Somewhere there IS a Bill Stickers, and he felt three sizes larger today because of your worry. HEEE!

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Reading this? I'm just curious. Because that's really detail-oriented of you. Feel free to stop reading. But you can see that there's more here, so are you going to keep reading? Really? That's pretty dedicated. I'm impressed. No, really. I'm not being sarcastic, why do you get like that? See, this is the problem I have with your mother - yes. YES. I'm going there. It's time we put all of our cards on the table.

I love you, why are you doing this? After all we've been through? You don't have to be like this. You know, still reading. You could be baking a pie. And then sharing it with me.

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