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Question for the BtVS fandom at large:

Do you think it's possible that Joss knew enough of gang/drug culture to have the "Strawberry" reference for Willow be the dope man's Strawberry? Because I'm thinking that little, pudgy white boy knew what he was doing.

And if you ask yourself, "Did Stoney just listen to 'Dope Man' by N.W.A.?" then give yourself fifteen points for mind reading and fifty points for your old school gangsta rap knowledge.

Yo, Mr. Dope Man you think you're slick
You gave my sister drugs and now she's sick
And if she dies because of your drugs
I'm putting in your quto a .38 slug.

There's a another girl in tha dope man's life
Not quite a bitch but far from a wife
she's called Strawberry and everybody know
Strawberry Strawberry is tha neighborhood ho
do any thing for a hit or 2
give tha bitch a rock and she'll fuck your whole damn crew
it might be yo wife and it might make you sick
come home and see her mouth on tha dope man's dick
Strawberry just look around; you'll see her
but don't fuck around she'll give you gonorrhea
if people out there ain't hip to the fact
Strawberry iz a girl selling pussy 4 crack

(For tha Dope Man Dope Man!)

Damn, I love the bass line in that song.

In other news, we entertained Mr. marenfic last night as he wrapped up a business conference, and my kids officially declared him to be a "very nice man." They all played Guitar Hero until bedtime. *cough* I won't say publicly whether or not my children kicked his ass or not. Or that my six year old plays with only a thumb on the keys (her hands are too small to hold the controller) and she played on Medium. And did better than the Mr. I won't say that. :D


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Jun. 25th, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
I once had a conversation with a coworker (who is 10 years younger than me) about how, when I take the subway to work, noone would ever guess that the tiny little white woman, married and in her 30s sits there listening to gangsta rap! I got great street cred from said coworker for that!

And yep. I'm betting Joss did know enough. I don't know why I think that, I just do...
Jun. 25th, 2008 04:35 pm (UTC)
If he didn't know on his own (highly likely) he could have had a staff member that informed him....

That's my guess. :D
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Jun. 25th, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC)
I hope Miss Em schooled Mr. Maren's ass. :DDDD
Jun. 25th, 2008 04:51 pm (UTC)
She TOTES did. I mean... I will neither confirm nor deny.
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Jun. 25th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
Do you think it's possible that Joss knew enough of gang/drug culture to have the "Strawberry" reference for Willow be the dope man's Strawberry? Because I'm thinking that little, pudgy white boy knew what he was doing.

Yes. Yes I do believe it was deliberate and that pudgy white boy has his fair share of knowledge about such things.
Jun. 25th, 2008 04:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah - I think if he didn't know, he trusted a staff writer that did.

Jun. 25th, 2008 04:45 pm (UTC)
Often wondered that myself. I think it's entirely possible that he did but my question is, which writer/writers are created with that episode? Cause it could have come from them and not Joss.
Jun. 25th, 2008 04:52 pm (UTC)
It's good to know I'm not alone, both in my theory and my love of hard-core pipe-hittin' gangsta rap.
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Jun. 25th, 2008 05:38 pm (UTC)
"Is that those boys playing?" "No, it's Kansas, but they got 100K points playing that on GuitarHero.

(Um, note: the drums are the hardest part of Rock Band.) BUT! There's singing! And they've got songs you know and love, and it's totally fun. The guitar on the easy settings are crazy easy, in comparison to Guitar Hero, so don't sweat it.

We wish they had an actual keyboard you could play on it, too, as they have freaking BOSTON. Gotta have a keyboard for those long intros!
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Jun. 25th, 2008 06:35 pm (UTC)
Ha! I had no idea. :-D
Jun. 25th, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC)
See I said that back when the ep aired, and all my friends were like, what?
You have confirmed my rightness. *nods in vindication*
*throws up gang signs at you*

Ooooh your daughter schooled a grown man, She is badass, or at her age badbutt I guess to make it age appropriate.
Jun. 25th, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)
*curls fingers, pinkies out*


And yeah - listening to that again this morning, I was all, "Rack slapped her with nine inches of limp dick."
Jun. 25th, 2008 07:23 pm (UTC)
When I was at the Slayage conference a couple weeks ago, someone presented a paper on Willow's magic addiction arc as a resource for drug counselors, and the strawberry/crack whore thing was discussed. I tend to think Mutant Enemy knew what they were doing, given their fondness for the buggin' street slang, yo.

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Jun. 25th, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)
Nice! See, I'm not crazy! Well, on this subject, at least. :D
Jun. 25th, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC)
Okay, this is just bizarre, unless you tell me that you were watching CSI on SpikeTV last night. They used (and explained) the "strawberry" term in relation to drug use, and I wondered the very same thing. I'm going to guess yes on that one, but it's hard to say with Joss.
Jun. 25th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
I did not! I watched no TV last night, so I'm clearly picking up on your brainwaves! Speaking of, PUT DOWN THE CHOCOLATE and give it to meeeeeee :D
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Jun. 25th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
See what happens from not being a part of fandom until close to the end? you miss all the good discussions!!
Jun. 25th, 2008 11:17 pm (UTC)
Your 6-year-old for president, is what.
Jun. 25th, 2008 11:40 pm (UTC)

There would be a kitten, puppy, bunny, and turtle in every home. All would eat Popsicles and go to bed early!
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Jun. 26th, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)
I would suggest this - that he (or more likely someone on his team) knew the reference. But I'm equally certain that he hadn't actually listened to the song.

Whedon's aware of things, but I don't think he's particularly savvy about it. The shallowness of Gunn's character arc (Gangsta's Paradise was the only rap tune you could think of for him????) belies any sense that Whedon is 'down' as the kidz used to say...
Jun. 26th, 2008 01:42 am (UTC)
I'm right there with you. Gunn was so "TV Black Street Kid" wasn't he? Poor J August Richards.

But I def. think someone on staff was aware.
Jun. 26th, 2008 06:16 pm (UTC)

Dude, he sucks. Mr. Maren is not musically inclined. You should have heard him try to sing when we played Rock Band last night.
Jun. 26th, 2008 06:40 pm (UTC)

You know we're going to have to rock out with our cocks out in August, right? I FUCKING RULE AT ROCK BAND. We can make him be our manager.

Poor Mr. Maren. Well, just let him know that he can't be good at everything. :D
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