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I just got the idea to contact a scientist/citizen in Antarctica to see if I can get them to send me back a coin I'd mail them to add to my son's collection. (And to see if my father in law can ask one of the astronauts to carry one to the ISS, and maybe I could mail one to the White House? Hmm.)

Okay, TV. Spoilers a go go, yo.

Holy sheep shit, this show has been full of crazy people this season, am I right?!? It's making me so sad, so crazy, and so angry. I'll just hit some highlights, feel free to remind me of things I'm missing.

Bill Hendricks This is the lead villain in the show, and if you've not cottoned to that, what show are you watching!? The guy is such a controlling son of a bitch, so hypocritical, and if I may, completely spot on for the type of man you'll find in that region. He gives me the rages, I won't lie. "Everything I do is through divine inspiration that only I can receive from our Heavenly Father." Fuck you, dude. His Judas behavior to Don is just despicable. I mean, Don's no saint, but he's such a lap dog follower. Bah. Bill's father is a righteous son of a bitch, too, but he's at least upfront with it. You know what you're dealing with right off the bat: a jackass extraordinaire.

And HEY-O with the kicking out your son (Ben beat him to it, but you knew it was coming) when that was exactly what was done to you, Bill. And why? Because you were a young, desirable male that was catching the eye of young, pretty women that the older men wanted for themselves, even though they already HAVE wives. GROSS. I hate this character. HATE him. It's excellent TV, mind, I just see the character for who he is, and I don't like it.

Alby OH MY GOD, the crazy! The sadness!! Y'all get that he's Warren Jeffs, right? I mean, we've talked about that many many times. And that Warren Jeffs was gay but closeted? Also, I cannot stress enough how amazing it is to me every time they show the actor in profile that the man looks EXACTLY like Joseph Smith. Kudos on the casting. But seriously: the picking up men in Memorial Park (lol, that's pretty accurate), I lived two blocks from there - it's a BEAUTIFUL park and totally smack dab in the gayborhood. And three blocks north of Temple Square. Ha ha. How sad is his behavior with this man? the breaking in? The weird ass gifts? The creepy pictures he's taking of themselves in bed while the guy is asleep?!?! I wonder if there's a precedence for that in Jeffs' past, hmm. I know Jeffs had all sorts of accusations being made about him and young men at Colorado City {real life Juniper Creek.}

Random, but it bugs me: they always have the folks up in SLC [Hendricksons] zipping over to Juniper Creek [Colorado City.] That's a good 5 hour drive. I just have to keep mentioning that. Whatever, small mention.

Back to Alby: Jeffs really DID assign his mother (and spirit mothers) immediately to other men, including himself. WEIRD. Anyway, Alby is making me sad. He's reprehensible, but he's also a tragic figure, trapped in his own making.

Nikki OH MY GOD, NIKKI. First of all, her sobbing at the wedding made me so, so sad. She has never known chosen love, and never will. I think. She came so close to finally being her own person, and then it was all ruined by her background. So typical for that region, too. :( On the other hand, I was so amused at her in DC with her handgun and the threat of those people being completely horrid sinners ready to rape and murder her and her daughter. They really are taught that in the compound, and that's one of the reasons why they won't leave. (They have no real access to the outside to show how ludicrous that is.)

Also hilarious: her building the log cabin in two days, I love that they always showcase her compound/Juniper Creek skills of knowing how to do things. Fix a generator? No problem. Cook for 150 people? Piece of cake, she calls that Saturday lunch. Build a facade for a political campaign? Done, please go to my peg board and bring me the following supplies, carefully labeled and stored in the right place, lol. essene mentioned that she eye rolled Nikki once again being undercover because of how she looks, but I have to say that it REALLY isn't an issue. Nikki has some of the compound trappings, but since she wears her hair down in the back and wears two pieces instead of the pastel dress or calico, she really fits in with a LOT of people in Utah Valley. She fits right in up there in Provo, doesn't need to change a thing.

Also, who's more devious and good at ferreting out information than Nikki? Perfect job for her.

Margene I find that I'm really bothered by Margene as a character. One, she clearly doesn't fit in with the polygamous lifestyle of SLC - meaning, the RELIGIOUS aspects of it. The way she dresses is completely unacceptable by those people's standards, for one. Two, I don't get why she's staying. I don't think she will much longer, but I kind of feel like her storyline is about played out. She's going to figure out how to be on her own and leave, I think that's what's coming. I see her in the family as a person wanting companionship in the form of sisters and friends, but eh. I think the writers made her too carefree and non-area designed enough that I've never bought her being in THIS family. And is she originally from Utah? That just makes it harder for me to believe, if so. It's almost like Pamela Anderson joining a muslim family in India. Uh... huh?

Also, the actor that plays Ben skeeves me out, so I'm not interested in that storyline AT ALL.

Off topic, slightly, Amanda Seyfried has massive cans, jeez. I don't want to see that, though, she was a baby on Veronica Mars imo. Ack. I'm uncomfortable with teen actors growing up, that's all. And her husband continues to gross me out and amuse me as he looks PERFECT for the BYU drop out type. Bleh. Bad memories of living up there, I suppose.

Barb She's so typical Type A LDS mom, I just don't have anything more to add. Everything must appear perfect, or she'll drive herself crazy trying to make it just so. (And Teeny can go right the fuck back to where ever she was, I'm not a fan of the bratty little sister gig.) She reminds me of just about all of my LDS friends' moms. Trying to not let judgment show on her face, but judging all the same. And actually being a loving person. But still with the judgment and the "MUST BE PERFECT!!!" mantra. Exhausting.

Joey He's the ONLY man on the show that I don't want to stab. I think because he so clearly struggles with his religion and what it requires of him, and he really does love Wanda, even if it wears him out.

Wanda I LOVE THAT CHARACTER. She's scary as hell, and such a tragic figure, and I kind of want her to kill her brother. I mean, come on, you're all wanting it, too, right? I love the reminder of her relationship ties with Nikki, as well. It's not just them living together on the compound, but their fear and loathing of JJ.

So yeah, I'm salivating for the next episode, even though I feel like I know where all of this is going. (And if I could make it through ONE episode without singing along/praying along every time they go back to Mormon roots, that would be super. Jeez, the indoctrination is strong, yo.)


On one hand, I got choked up with Topher's story line. I know that one of the big reasons some of you hated him was that he had no moral compass in regards to what he was doing, and I assumed they would make that his arc. I wasn't disappointed, and I thought the depth of sorrow that he sank to was pretty awesome.

There were tons of plot holes/plot lines that got changed because I guess they wrote this before they did season 2? IDK. Um, Paul [Ballard] had his affection for Echo/Caroline removed, one, so her whole "I can't let you in" line didn't work because they made it the opposite by the last half of the season. Also, the child that played the revamped Echo was the same girl that played Mellie as a younger person, right? Hmm, just mentioning that.

I didn't buy Adelle being the earth mother, but then, we did lose quite a few years. It felt like they forced that on us. Ditto with Tony/Victor being a tech-head. Eh, I found that mildly interesting, but that's all. Um, what's with Alpha being a huggy friend? A little more exposition there was needed, since last we saw him he wasn't the "I'm in it with you!" guy. Unless I'm missing something?

Joss has GOT to come up with new tropes, I'm pretty much over it, now. He's beaten me over the head with:

  • mothers are twisted and will attack if you mess with their cubs in disproportionate measures/dads don't give a shit and leave

  • the strong woman will always be alone

  • do you love this person? Do you? BAM, how's about a bullet in the forehead, sucker!

  • thin nerdy girls

  • the crazy person in a hole drawing theorems over and over and over again

  • the switcharoo evil guy

  • hot lesbians for the geek guy turn on and not to just have them be characters that happen to be lesbians. And hot.

I mean, we GET it, Joss. Quit telling the same story over and over again, try something new, please.

I think this show had a lot of promise and I would have liked it stretched over 3 seasons, but what can you do.

[ETA] GUYS! I totally forgot that Elizabeth Smart (and more importantly, Wanda Barzee) will be on Oprah today. When they showed her after she'd been kidnapped, I KNEW it was polygamy. Why did he want HER? She looked like a literal [Mormon] angel. Blonde, small, demure, played the HARP. OMG. Oh, and she was from a wealthy family, too, because the holier you are in the LDS faith the more money God blesses you with. *cough* I'm waiting breathlessly for this interview, I won't even lie. even though I'm sure Oprah will cock it up with stupid questions geared for creating "A-ha!" quotes.


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Feb. 2nd, 2010 05:14 pm (UTC)
I was waiting to see what you thought of the episode.

Nikki continues to be made of awesome.

Alby... wow. I first saw Matt Ross way back when Rose Red came out. IMO, he was probably the best part of that miniseries. I ended up emailing Stephen King's people to get an address when I could send a fan letter. They gave me his agent's address and a few weeks later I got a handwritten and signed letter from him, which I still have. He's a great actor and this season he's really going to shine.

I have this urge to whack Bill upside the head. He's being an ass on so many levels on so many things.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 05:46 pm (UTC)
Matt Ross is really an amazing actor. I love it when actors that aren't typical Hollywood looks (thank goodness!) can completley embody a character and make it something so unique. It's not easy.

I want to punch Bill in the nuts.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 05:42 pm (UTC)
30toseoul is heading to the ice for winterover now, actually. she is a really interesting person, I love reading her journal about her experiences. she might be willing to do something for you, she passes through McMurdo on the way and I believe can still send mail from there. not sure, but it's worth a shot. =)
Feb. 2nd, 2010 05:45 pm (UTC)
Ooooh, thank you so much, how awesome!! I'll give it a try, the worst that can happen is she'll say no, right? ;)
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Feb. 2nd, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC)
Oh, I think Bill COMPLETELY believes that. And I also think that not only did Roman believe that, he came to the conclusion that EVERYTHING he thought up was divine, like, he's the prophet, so anything he decrees/decides/designs is CLEARLY from God. Delusional? Yep! But no, I don't think Alby believes it, entirely.

Ew, that Teeny shot WAS creepy, right? Gleh.

Oh, I would not be surprised at all to find out there was incest between JJ and Wanda - it would explain A LOT (and unfortunately happens a lot over there.)

I got choked up during parts of Dollhouse, too, then mocked myself. then got choked up again. LOL.
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Feb. 2nd, 2010 07:52 pm (UTC)

Dollhouse suffered from a slow, difficult start and then got stuck with having to tell too much story in too short a period of time. Once the story started to focus on Rossum and its intentions, things got really interesting. Then it got canceled.

I wish we could have seen more with Rossum as well as the actual release of the tech and the aftermath. There was so much story to tell and I feel like we missed out on so much.

I agree with a lot of your plot hole criticisms, particularly Alpha. That guy was nuttier than a fruitcake, then flash forward a few years and he's one of the soldiers. Say what? The Paul/Echo stuff didn't bother me as much. I could buy the idea that he developed new feelings for Echo over time and after everything they've been through.

Overall, I enjoyed it. I found it moving and I was sad that it seemed to end before its time. I would still like to see more from Joss, though with less of what you complain about above. He could stand to try something new.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 09:06 pm (UTC)
I think DH had SO much promise to tell some really cool stories. I was fascinated by the world he created, I just wish they had had more time to tell it.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
I'm loving Big Love this season, even if it looks like it's doing hurtles over sharks. It's not that anything unrecoverable has happened, but it all looks like it's heading for the kind of disasters that only happen in B-grade movies.

I loved seeing Nickie as the spy because she is good at it, was obviously delighted by the assignment and Bill was such a hypocite for asking her to do it.

It's definitely Alby that's caught my eye this season. They've been teasing us with all this since S1, and I'm glad they're finally playing it out. I'm just heartbroken about how naive and innocent he becomes when he's allowed to show his affection. It's almost like a second personality - the person he could have been if he wasn't force-fitted into a mold.

I do like overall how they are spinning the characters on their heads. Bill, the theoretically forward thinking one, is exhibiting the worst of the traits he claims he wanted out of his life. Alby showing the contrast in his personality.

And geez, I have no idea what makes the women at JC keep going. I can't tell if Adalene is creating her own future or if she's falling into old routines for comfort. Although, she can stop with the out of character crazy that we've seen in the last couple of episodes. Calling Nickie and screaming incoherently was warrented, but not very Adalene. Likewise the sending Nickie to the freezer sceen. I was with you in thinking that Nickie was about to be locked in.

Likewise Frank & Lois's sister wife that let the parrots out.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 09:09 pm (UTC)
yeah, it's the "if only I had been allowed to be myself, I would have been happy" aspect of Alby's character that is SO upsetting. The same could be said for Nikki, too, though not as in an extreme manner.

Well, as for Adalene, if she balks or questions what's being forced upon her, then that opens up questions for her husband's legitimacy as well. Not to mention the whole concept of being cast out of heaven by Alby, which - in their mind - he has the power to do. There's no worse fate to an F/LDS than not being with your family for eternity. Nothing.

Oh, the poor twin with the parrots!! I love that actress.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 08:33 pm (UTC)
You skipped over (probably while barfing genteely in your mouth) the whole BUTCHERS vs. REAVERS aspect where Joss yet again plagarized himself, I mean COME ON. Vampires/Reavers/Butchers?

And the sex bots~~ in Buffy, in Firefly/Serenity (Mr. Universe) & then the ULTIMATE REAL LIVE HUMAN sex bots in Dollhouse.

I thought Vic going Tech Head made sense. He was a soldier in real life, right? Every soldier/cop I know would go Bionic/Tech if given a chance. Hell, I would. It's another TOY, the biggest, bestest gun ever. Damn straight, if I could stick a thing on some shiny stuff around my ear~~ I'd assimilate.

I was PISSED when Paul died. I knew it was coming. Joss can't NOT kill some Important Character. But I was pissed anyway.

I had a little trouble with Adelle's transition, but not as much as when she went into Alpha Bitch Mode a couple of episodes back, the one where she kept torturing Echo. She always had a soft spot for Topher; remember the The Dollhouse Whedon 'verse 'Band Candy' episode????

As for Big Love~~ Bill is horrible, evil. Teeny is too. They need to send her back to the Dollhouse or wherever the hell it was she was hibernating. I hate that kid. Not since Nelly Olsen have I wanted to MURDER a child. I LOVE WANDA. And I'm really enjoying that Twin Sister Wife too, whatever her name is, Jodean, Jonell, whatever it is~~ the one that let the birds out of the trunk & pretended to be asleep. I feel so sorry for Alby! And YES, MY GOD, are we 100% certain he's not kin to Jeffs??????? HOLY SHIT. You know how many people I saw at the YFZ that look.just.like.that.guy???? FREAKEH!

Feb. 2nd, 2010 09:14 pm (UTC)
Lol at Nelly Olsen. I don't even want a comeuppance like I did with Nelly, just for her to BE GONE. The twin sister, isn't she a wonderful character? So sad. That actress created two distinct people, and LAWS doesn't she look authentic??

I am SO GLAD that someone gets what I mean about Matt Ross looking PERFECT for the part. Check out this profile of Joseph SMith. I MEAN ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! The NOSE alone!! (One of my oldest friends is married to Joseph Smith. His g-g-g-grandson. He actually played him in the movie they show to visitors at the JSmith building in SLC.)
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Feb. 2nd, 2010 08:45 pm (UTC)
I loved Topher's storyline, I really really did. ITA agree with you about everything regarding DH.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 09:14 pm (UTC)
I really liked the actor, too. (And thought he was pretty cute. Nerdy with broad shoulders? yes, please!)
Feb. 2nd, 2010 09:29 pm (UTC)
I agree with you about Doll House, I mean, I loved it for what it was and what they gave us in such a short time, but I was constantly distracted by thoughts of what would make it better and more interesting and if I could over look the extremely large amount of plot holes I probably would have liked it better.

Who is Wanda Barzee?
Feb. 2nd, 2010 11:01 pm (UTC)
She is the woman that helped David Brian Mitchell kidnap and hold Elizabeth Smart hostage.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 10:27 pm (UTC)
My favorite part of Big Love is the new opening credits. It makes me want to cry right off the bat, all of them being cast out into outer darkness. Great symbolism, u gais!

I love Alby/Nikki, and how Alby clearly respects his sister and punished his mother in the same way Nikki was punished with creepy john malkovich wannabe guy. Yet, the mother (who is awesome) has obviously found her in for the control and it all backfires in a really emotional scene that made me laugh my ass off.

The Ben story is SO intriguing to me, because it's history repeating itself. And poor Don...

I just want to sift for weevils just thinking of the next episode!!!

/sings primary tune, dampers out.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 10:58 pm (UTC)
Oh my god, the new credits!! Yes yes yes, it's all so wonderful and prophetic, and the music this season has been gorgeous.

The Ben storyline is kind of a retelling (the kicking out part) but - and i know we've talked about this before - the actor is repulsive to me. Blech. Sorry.

Sift for weevils!! IT JUST RELAXES ME.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 10:46 pm (UTC)
Also, the child that played the revamped Echo was the same girl that played Mellie as a younger person, right?

Sorry? Remind me when you're talking about? I don't remember a younger Mellie...

But anyway, I was mostly happy with how the series turned out, impressed with how they managed to condense what I believe was Joss's basic 5 year plan for the show into the rest of the season so it would all be resolved, although I was annoyed with how that meant some stuff was sloppy. I was pretty pissed about the reveal of Boyd and how they explained it - I liked the twist, but it would only work for me if he had some very, very clever diabolical plan that required him to act the way he's been acting for the entire series - I don't believe someone who's just bonkers could have pulled off being as sensible and moral as Boyd has acted. I actually wasn't that bothered about Alpha's switcheroo though; I could see after the world coming to an end him deciding that he didn't ask for THIS and he's always been anti-Dollhouse and if his former enemies were now anti-Dollhouse too... I don't know, it's a reach, but I felt like the offhand mention from Epitaph One of Alpha helping them out prepared me for it.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 11:00 pm (UTC)
Mellie either had a flashback to her childhood, or they showed her child and I believe it was that actress.

Yeah - the five year plan would have been awesome to get, right? So many things felt so rushed and while they did a good job with what they had, it's just a once again I get screwed out of the fullness of the show when it comes to anything Whedonverse.
Feb. 2nd, 2010 11:03 pm (UTC)
Hi, I still have loads of different nationality coins over here. If you just let me have the address and tell me what you don't have, I'll send them over. Don't worry about the postage.

my e mail is: lilachigh@mac.com
Feb. 3rd, 2010 09:44 pm (UTC)
OMG I've been waiting for you to talk about BL since I saw last episode, LOL.

I have never, ever liked Bill. I can't decide if he's earnest and sincere in his beliefs, or if he's as conniving as the rest of them but better at hiding the mechanisms. I actually threw a shoe at him when he asked that of Don. WTF kind of an asshole does that? Especially an asshole who claims that he's running for office only so he can "come out" with their polygamy?! A fucking asshole, that's who.

Margie does not fit. Never has. Hence her conflicts with Nikki. I agree that she really seems to need and appreciate the sisterhood and large family, but it's not her lifestyle at all. I can't believe Bill never yells at her for her clothes, either.

Actor Ben is uber skeevy.

Oh, Alby. I'm heartbroken for him, because obviously the poor guy has issues (and daddy hallucinations, creepy), but I can't tell if he's really in love with that guy or if he's using him (e.g., was the photo for him personally, or for blackmail?). And it was so messed up to give his mom to JJ, especially since he and Nikki seems so close (as close as they can be, anyway) and that totally effs with her life as well. And YES, I've noted the JS resemblance since the beginning!
Feb. 4th, 2010 05:12 am (UTC)
It just keeps getting better/weirder.
I feel SO bad for Margie. She has always been my fave, maybe BECAUSE she doesn't really fit in very well.

I really liked when Scott (Sarah's hubby) said that about "I'm not going to walk in and dictate to my wife, that's not the kind of marriage we have." And then was all I'll support whatever your decision is and stuff.

Alby's storyline is just really tripping me out. It is just So. Freakin. Weird. I kinda liked his revenge on his mom. That's way worse than just killing her.

I feel really bad for Joey being all blackmailed, but I knew it was coming when they went out to the body.
And poor Don. Bill is really showing his asshole side more openly this season.
Jodene with the birds! That was great! and the little smile on her face when Frank and Lois were trying to catch them and arguing whose fault it was! Great actress!
Nikki is like Bob the Builder. She can build/fix anything! (except her own life)
Feb. 4th, 2010 07:30 am (UTC)
D'oh. I follow Buzz Aldrin on Twitter. He just got back from Antarctica. Now THAT would have been an awesome thing to get him to add to the coin project. (Impossible? Yet, I can dream can't I?)

Geez, by that logic, regarding the Smart family, my family must've been pretty unholy. We were fairly comfortable middle class but struggling with debt. I assume my pious Dad's "karma" got balanced by my Mom's unwillingness to attend church and preference for watching R-rated movies. Oh, and her penchant for spending money like it was burning a hole in her purse. Ah well, those days are passed... :/

I did see Elizabeth Smart in a People magazine article a while back. I had to wonder how much of her image is contrived to force-feed America yet again with the whole Beauty vs. Beast mentality. Yeah, what went on was pretty messed up, I won't deny that. But Beth Smart seems TOO angelic.
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