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I mentioned Spoilers, yes? Even though you can't really spoil for this movie, can you? It's not about the Big Reveal, because it's pretty evident where it's headed, even though it's not obvious how you're going to get there. I digress.

The big talking points about the movie:

1. It's all a dream. Mal and the gang are all representatives of people in Dom's life.
Evidence: It starts off without you knowing where it starts off. (Outstanding homage to Vertigo's opener, btw.) We have no idea how things work, how they know each other, what the technology really is, and everyone is Perfectly Suited for their tasks with just enough vagueness to get us to believe what we're being told. Just like dream logic. "I think, therefore I can."

Exhibit B: Clearly the ending is a dream because the kids are the same age and wearing the same outfits they did throughout the whole lifespan of the movie. And he's looking at the house, and it's exactly as he's been remembering it, but he told Mal that she wasn't perfect like the real Mal, he can't put all of the nuances in her, etc. There are no nuances to that ending, no extra layers of complexity making it unique. Ergo: dreaming still.

2. It's only a dream at the end, everything leading up to it (the training, the mission, etc.) were reality based.
Evidence: This one is tricky, and I think I'm going to be alone on this one, since everyone seems to be on board #1, but I think Nolan is a lot trickier than we're giving him credit for, and I'm in the Hitchcock school of film understanding, ergo: any good movie tells you everything you need to know in the title and/or the opening credits. The idea that #1 id the answer IS THE INCEPTION. That's the "virus" the audience is infected with, because this is a film director that doesn't talk down to his audience. He trusts that we're going to be on board the whole "it's a dream within a dream" concept.

Exhibit B: When you dream, even if you dream you're someone else, YOU ARE STILL YOU. Everything is about you, from your point of view, affecting you. This movie relies on others having their own missions, their own tasks, while Dom continues to have his thread of story. Master Chemist is having his level of work on Holodeck 1. Arthur is having his own thread [and really, THE MOST badass fight scene I've ever seen in a movie. Ever. I want to know the behind the scenes stuff re: hallway fight like you can't know. DAMN, that was awesome.] on Deck 2. On Deck 3, Tom Hardy is doing his thing, Dom and Ariadne are battling their own projections and we see everything happening simultaneously. Because all of these tangential story lines are happening, I do think they are shared dreams of the crew, which would mean that they really are sharing it, it's not the fevered dreams of our resident android, Dom, or what have you.

Exhibit C: Well, this isn't really proof for my theory but something that is bugging me: wouldn't you dream Saito better? Like, couldn't you conjure a medicine or treatment and tell him in his dream state that it will fix you? Because "pain is in the mind" so isn't a cure in the mind too? Eh, just something I thought about.

So yeah, I'm coming down on the side of it's what it is, barring the last shot of the top not spinning. (Although the sound cues have it slowing and wobbling. Because his world is wobbling, because it's not real. But just that last one.)

Then again, all of the evidence I've just given could support the other side (#1) but hey, I haven't had this much fun figuring a movie out in a LONG time, so that's worth the price of admission. OOOH, and has everyone seen the Youtube clip of the French song slowed down which makes the creepy DUUN DUUUUUUN. DUUN DUUUUUUN. music? I love that the cue music got louder and slower the deeper into the labyrinth they moved. GAH, what a great movie!

[ETA AGAIN, I KNOW SORRY.] NO. THERE IS ANOTHER. I give you a quick and dirty choice 3.

[ETA] one thing that the husband and I marveled at was in the very beginning when Leo catches the bullet casings after firing with the silencer. Now THAT is an assassin. Which also feeds into my point about being able to do things in dreams you can't do in RL, so why couldn't Saito be given Special Medicine?

Also: why is Mal sitting ACROSS the hotel in another hotel room's window ledge? So we're all agreed that's not the actual memory, but a dream/memory of what may or may not have happened?

And I'll be seeing this one again. And again. GORGEOUS MOVIE. [In other news that I will post about tomorrow, I have witnessed my first Gun Show up close and personal. We really need a plague of zombies to thin the herd. Thankfully I just bought a handy dandy flint and steel fire starter that even starts a fire IN THE RAIN. Take that, diseased hordes!!) Lol.


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Aug. 1st, 2010 09:03 pm (UTC)
The kids are not the same age. In fact, if you stick around for the credits, they are played by different actors.

Also, Dom only wears his wedding band in dream sequences. At the end, he is not wearing it.

I don't think that's the ultimate point though- the ultimate point (IMO) is that it doesn't matter. He chose being happy as his "reality" and he left the top to spin without bothering to check. Compared to the guy who was gonna OFF HIMSELF at the beginning of the movie if the top didn't fall, well. He's come a long way.

But you know, I'm not married to any one idea in this movie, because SO GOOD ANY WHICH WAY. And I'm writing porn. So \0/.

Aug. 1st, 2010 09:07 pm (UTC)
They're not the same age? Hmm. I planned on seeing it again to pick up more of the visual cues, so I'll look for that.

So you do NOT believe the end is his dream? Or am I understanding that it's not anything you are concerned with because of the point you made about his choice?
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Aug. 1st, 2010 09:06 pm (UTC)
The top is Mal's totem. We're never told what Dom's is. Now, think about that top spinning. *G*

According to the credits, there are two sets of kids. They're in the same position in nearly the same clothes, but the second set is about 18 months older than the first set.

One thing about this movie, I saw it on a 105F day in a theater without air-conditioning that was so packed I couldn't sit with my friends. And not one person left. It's riveting.
Aug. 1st, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)
I'm not following you, I might just be thick headed? What are you driving at with the top?
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Aug. 1st, 2010 09:12 pm (UTC)
I need to read everyone's smart theories!!! And I am RIGHT THERE WITH YOU on needing those DVD extras, holy crap, is that going to be awesome to watch a million times.

That hallway fight scene (and the elevator) was OUTSTANDING. I want to know how!!

(Holy shit, I wanted to set the place on fire and walk away. YIKES.)
Aug. 1st, 2010 09:11 pm (UTC)
I far prefer theory 2 to 1, really, because otherwise the movie feels too obvious and formulaic to me, which, despite its vast and all-encompassing awesomeness, is a bit of a let-down.
Aug. 1st, 2010 09:14 pm (UTC)
See?!?! That's what I'm thinking, too. That he KNOWS he has a smart audience and he needs to put a twist on it that you DON'T see coming. DO YOU HEAR THAT, M. NIGHT?? Bah.

I am surprised to hear you say it was a let-down, because even if you know that an ending of "is it or isn't it a dream?" is coming, the way it was presented felt exciting to me.
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Aug. 1st, 2010 09:20 pm (UTC)

(QUESTION: How long after the movie did it take for Ariadne to hit that like the fist of an angry god? I'm thinking HALF AN HOUR.)

(Also: Dom's totem wasn't the top, it was his kids' faces. That's why he never saw them in his dreams- because it he did, he would have fallen into the trap of being content with the dreamworld and not striving to get home. When he gets home- his real home- he gets to see them again.)
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Aug. 1st, 2010 09:34 pm (UTC)
I LOVED this movie. It finally felt like something that was engrossing and smart and really pushed the viewer to think... but it could also be just an enjoyable summer flick if a person didn't want to bother with deep intellectualism at the movies.

My first time seeing it was my husband's second and he pointed out the wedding ring detail. I want to see it again to pick up on more. This one is definitely a purchase when it comes out on DVD. I'm also tossing around the idea of buying the music because oh man, Hans Zimmer is an amazing composer.

I'm so happy we are still getting awesome movies instead of explosions for the sake of explosions. And talk about a cool concept too!
Aug. 1st, 2010 09:42 pm (UTC)
This movie has single-handedly restored my belief that Hollywood is not completely bereft of creativity. Yes, I'm looking at YOU, future Smurfs and Gilligan's Island movies!!!!
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Aug. 1st, 2010 09:35 pm (UTC)
Heh, your excitement is making me excited! I really wanted the end to be real, because the alternative seemed so sad. But upon reflection, if he finally listened to dream Mal and accepted that his reality is what he makes it, maybe a dream ending would be even happier (certainly happier than a reality where he doesn't see his kids ever again).

My comment to the Poshkitten at the end of the movie: "If the kidnapped son was trained to have his subconscious attack dream intruders, why didn't he get dinosaurs to attack them? Dinosaurs are always attacking things in my dreams."

Chris Nolan is quite the genius. The first thing I did after coming home from Inception was read all the theories regarding Memento. He does make a person think, although the ending to Inception was physically painful! The people in my very full theatre groaned out loud.

JGL is my new movie boyfriend. So skinny and adorkable and hot. Plus he can fight in zero gravity, baby!

PS Have you seen Shutter Island? Because the plot and twists of that movie soured Inception and Leo's character in it somewhat for me, if that makes any sense.
Aug. 1st, 2010 09:46 pm (UTC)
Dinosaurs would make the BEST projected protectors, how about it, Science?!

That zero gravity fight scene was outstanding. I'm dying to know the logistics of how that (and the elevator scene) were accomplished.

I didn't see Shutter Island because I was afraid I'd be disappointed! February releases are never a good sign (with one exception, Silence of the Lambs, but that was released on Valentine's Day as an inside joke for those that read the book.)
Aug. 1st, 2010 11:49 pm (UTC)
Mmmyeah, I'm busy trying to learn how to make seal face jelly to save for the winter... So I can not join in on the fun. *mope*
Aug. 2nd, 2010 12:10 am (UTC)

I've talked about these different scenarios with friends who have seen it, and the conclusion that I've come to is that I need and want to see it a second time. That movie blew my mind, but I know that a second viewing will give me another perspective and I just want to soak it all in some more.

And ITA about that fight scene. So awesome. And JGL was smoking hot here. I mean, I've always really like him, but he was so damn cool in this.
Aug. 2nd, 2010 02:11 am (UTC)
I totally need to see it a second time and will buy the DVD for multiple watchings. Such a great movie!!
Aug. 2nd, 2010 12:25 am (UTC)
Re: fight scene, my understanding is that they actually built a rotating set, and everything was done practically. Just an utterly amazing scene. And movie. And everything.
Aug. 2nd, 2010 02:10 am (UTC)
The logistics of that are INSANE. Insane. Fighting, moving, acting, all while your entire room is rolling around? CRAZY.
Aug. 2nd, 2010 02:14 am (UTC)
Saw the movie with my sis this past Friday. GREAT movie, the effects and visuals are AWESOME and why doesn't Leo have an Academy Award yet?

I will go see it again because reading all these theories all over the nets and how I'm no good at catching a lot of things, maybe will help me get more info out of it.
Aug. 2nd, 2010 03:21 am (UTC)
"you Eskimo that lives in the tundra therefore the only person left who hasn't seen the movie yet."

Or “you shut-in….” *weeps*

I may be trying *cough*alternate*viewing methods soon
Aug. 2nd, 2010 01:13 pm (UTC)
LOL! Well, I just saw it yesterday, and since everyone on my flist seemed to have seen it multiple times already, I figured I was the last. So you get that honor? :D (And come on, YOU have an excuse!)
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Aug. 2nd, 2010 09:40 pm (UTC)
Asgsd jgsdfj gsndlkvn so many comments! I must read later. But for now:

After seeing this movie, one of my friends raved about how very slashable it was. I, as a devout slash fan, didn't get this vibe from it at all - it was one of those rare movies where there is no romantic bullshit shoehorned in, and I didn't see any lingering gazes from any of the dudes... If anything, I get a bit of a het-vibe from Inception, and not much at that because Dom is too fucked-up for normal human interaction, and everyone else is a consummate professional on a hellish job. In conclusion: is it just me?? Did I miss some gay buttsex subtext? I hope to rewatch it many more times, but I don't tend to go with slashy theories unless it stands out, subtle or otherwise. MOAR OPINIUNZ R NEEDED
Aug. 2nd, 2010 10:23 pm (UTC)
OK THANK YOU. I know people are all with the ho-yay, and I have no problems with that, but man, I did not see ANY in this. And there was a gay man. I got dude banter, but I'm in the camp that doesn't see that as disguising homo eroticism.

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Aug. 4th, 2010 04:03 am (UTC)
I AM SO HAPPY TO SEE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS. I want to comment spastically on this post but I don't have time. *cries* I'm eating up all the talk, though.
Aug. 4th, 2010 11:58 am (UTC)
ME, TOO!!! And if you get a chance, click on ethrosdemon's lj for more great Inception talk. She's got a good four posts about different aspects of it.
Aug. 9th, 2010 11:00 pm (UTC)
Interesting theories.... Now I have to go watch this thing.
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