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I'm going through my family's records (and I can't tell you how freaking thrilling it is to find old journal entries from my g-g-g-grandfather detailing his immigration to the US and then his emigration to Utah - JOURNALS ARE NEAT-O) and just found a very interesting and no doubt intentional series of blanks in the 1870 and 1880 Census records.

No wife listed officially, even though his first wife had been dutifully recorded (Emma, age --, born in England, keeping house) for the two censuses prior.

Then, the 1890 census show Emma again, but then there's this lady (Martha, 55) that turns up. And the next census (these are official census records, btw) have Emma missing. She's not dead at this time. This is also the period when Thomas went to jail for being a polygamist. They paid $100 to get him out, and he wrote that he served his time for The Lord. but when Utah was trying to pretend they weren't polygamous anymore (1890s) both wives are back on the census. (I need to borrow my dad's church ID # so I can check all of the SOOPER SEKRIT temple records for the evidence I need to show the polygamous marriage records, though.)

IDK, I just think it's interesting. I do love Emma's final dig at the situation in death, though.

Oh, you thought he would be in the middle, Martha? Oh, HALE nah. He done dragged my ass over from England and made me walk all the way from St. Louis to a hill in Utah valley, where we then had to turn around and build a house.

Missing from all of these records is his third living wife, and I only have journal entries for her. There were 9 other women married to him during the 1860s, making 12 spirit wives, total. Fun facts!

And fellow ExMos (or Mos) will get a kick out of this: I found his temple record of getting his "Second Calling." Meaning, no matter what, he gets his own planet. My religion passed out WORLDS, what did yours pass out, Watchtowers and WWJD bracelets? PFFT.


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Oct. 12th, 2011 03:48 pm (UTC)
I snicker hard at the headstone. But then I also make up possibilities which please me more, like "You thought you'd be in the middle, Thomas? Oh HALE nah. What exactly do you think Martha and I were up to while you were out cruising for wife #3?"
Oct. 12th, 2011 03:53 pm (UTC)

Also, I've seen their pictures. I don't think anyone was looking with sexy side eye at anyone by the time ol' Martha came on board.
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Oct. 12th, 2011 04:04 pm (UTC)
Mine passes out wine, so I win.
Oct. 12th, 2011 04:19 pm (UTC)
DT, uh, ENTIRE PLANET = vineyard planet. Also, I'm going to be the first one to start off with Adam and Steve because I can.

Your icon is genius.
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Oct. 12th, 2011 04:09 pm (UTC)
Family histories are fascinating. I've become addicted to researching all the branches of my own but have reached the sticking point of the late 18th century atm. No juicy titbits like polygamy but there were quite a few marriages in the preceding quarter to the birth of the first child (so the 20th century didn't invent sex, after all :D ).

Splendid headstone. How many children did he have by all those women? And how did he afford to keep them all? Did they all live in one house? Was there a shortage of men back then? The questions are endless :)
Oct. 12th, 2011 04:20 pm (UTC)
Hmmm... there were 9 (7 survived) with Wife One and I think four (two survived) with #2, no children with other wives.

FARMING. Cheap labor, they grow what they eat, and yep, one house. Oh, there was no shortage of men, even though that was an early hand-wave excuse for polygamy.
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Oct. 12th, 2011 04:30 pm (UTC)
Wait, didn't Emma die first? So Thomas or Martha must have set that up, right?

Shoot, maybe Martha didn't want to be next to Thomas' demanding ass for all of eternity! :P
Oct. 12th, 2011 04:38 pm (UTC)
Emma did die first, but it was pretty common to have the family plot laid out with who goes where. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that one of her kids put the final tombstone there after all three were gone. :)
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Oct. 12th, 2011 06:17 pm (UTC)
My planet is going to have five different religions and they'll all require sex, booze, pinatas (they're just fun) nachos and awesome music at every holiday.

World building is fun!
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Oct. 12th, 2011 06:18 pm (UTC)
I can't find wife #3 and the other nine were already dead when they were married to him (like Baptisms for the Dead.)
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Oct. 12th, 2011 05:30 pm (UTC)
Martha outlasted them all. Question: what do spirit wives do when the guy dies?
Oct. 12th, 2011 06:19 pm (UTC)
Wait it out? Once they're dead, the husband welcomes them into his spiritual harem.
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Oct. 12th, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
That's like, all we do, apparently.

This is all for my hopefully one-day-published book, so it'll be in there!
Oct. 12th, 2011 06:29 pm (UTC)
My planet will contain nothing but Klaine...and they will do my bidding. DO MY BIDDING, I SAY!!! (it'll kinda be a porn planet!)
Oct. 12th, 2011 06:35 pm (UTC)
I have teleporters and booze on my planet, so let's hook up a worm hole and PAR-TAY!
Oct. 12th, 2011 07:21 pm (UTC)
So can we visit your gx4 grandfather's planet someday? Cuz I totally wanna.
Oct. 12th, 2011 07:49 pm (UTC)
It's gonna be an eternal party, no doubt.
Oct. 12th, 2011 07:34 pm (UTC)
Woah. I've never seen the gravestone for a polygamous marriage. Are there headstones that commemorate five, six, seven wives? I also didn't know about the doling out of planets. How many do the Mormons believe exist?
Oct. 12th, 2011 07:46 pm (UTC)
I've seen a few with multiple names, but more often you'll see a big monument with everyone buried around it, typically in order.

Oh, infinite # of planets! All of the Uber righteous get to have their own planet and be God, and have your own Jesus and world wars and volcanoes, or whatever you make it.

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Oct. 13th, 2011 06:28 am (UTC)
I am so. excited. for your book. I just wanted to tell you that.
Oct. 13th, 2011 12:37 pm (UTC)
I'm not even going to pretend that getting to see BoM isn't lighting a fire under me. :D
Oct. 14th, 2011 05:00 am (UTC)
That really is super interesting. I don't think I'd have expected to see all three names on the headstone like that! But I don't know what I would have expected.
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