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Links, a rec, and a massive eye-roll/rant

First, Hey, Don't Judge Me is cooking today (with lots coming later today, too.)
Game of Thrones! Hope you like your incest. And baby killing.
Dexter! The rewatch continues with the beginning of Season 2, eps. 1 - 3.
Touch! The new Keifer show that is steadily picking up steam.
Later today: Mad Men! Bomb Girls! And THE RETURN OF THE BORGIAS (but debuting on HDJM!) Show my girls some love, if you would be so kind. They're working for praise, so how about you give them a raise? :)

FIC REC: one of those "Please drop what you are doing, read this, leave encouraging feedback, and marvel that this is in the world" kind of fics.

Sweet! A Love Story Told In Sugar by ohquixotica (I believe there are two other authors contributing as well?

WHY: Did you love Pushing Daisies? Do you love surreal romance and beautiful words and maybe a little Like Water For Chocolate? Because this story is all of that and more. I very rarely get emotionally moved by a lot of fanfic. I'm a jerk, I suppose. I choked up, clutched my heart, squealed with happiness, and felt everything right along with the characters. So funny, so sweet, so achy in places I could barely catch my breath. Everything I love in a story and all I didn't know I needed. PLEASE. Track this one. It's a WiP.

And those in Glee fandom? THAT IS HOW YOU WRITE 3rd PERSON OMNISCIENT. Know your POVs, it seems to be a problem. Do I sound snippy? I'll tell you why. But before I cut, PLEASE PLEASE READ.TRACK, BOOKMARK SWEET. You'll thank me later, I guarantee.

In which I go all Santana-like on entitlement, manners, why people share fanfic in the first place, and mother frakkin' TONE.Collapse )

And here come the anonymous "Stoney's a bitch" comments, I'm sure. Sorry for having opinions in my own journal. *

*no, I'm not. And one last time: CATCHING TYPOS is one thing. Talking down to me is another. Guess which one I'm cool with? (And christ, the story is 148,000 words. There's bound to be an error. Find me a printed book without a single error, would you?)

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percy803
Apr. 9th, 2012 06:47 pm (UTC)
I just wanted to take this opportunity to tell you how much I am enjoying the Bones of You. You're amazing for getting a chapter posted every day! Your writing is 1)remarkably free of typos and grammatical errors and 2)so wonderfully complex and polished in all of the important ways that even if there were exponentially more minor errors I would gladly ignore them. Please don't let rude people ruin something that makes you happy - and I'm not just saying that because it makes me happy too!

Also, Where There's Smoke is easily in my top three favorite fanfics, and I say that in the context of ten years of various fandoms.
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
Well, that's unbelievably sweet of you to say so, thank you! (I'm really not trying to bully people into praise or anything like that.) I'm so, so happy that people enjoy what I write - hearing back from them is pure gravy. :)

*hugs you up*
flosspyromaniac
Apr. 9th, 2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
Oh lord, now I feel worse than ever.

I'm sorry people suck?
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 07:35 pm (UTC)
STOP IT. You aren't a jerk-face, so you shouldn't feel bad AT ALL.

Let's have cookies and play on the swings, what do you say? :)
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ohquixotica
Apr. 9th, 2012 07:41 pm (UTC)
Amen, sister. (Giving you some space-hugs and a power salute, plus several cookies and a check for a billionty dollars with which you can buy more cookies or other stuff that will make you feel better. But please wait to cash the check until Thursday, because that is when my deposit of unicorn dollars clears.)

Anonymity is the refuge of scoundrels. And ass hats. And clowns of any ilk.

It's also very easy to write condescending-but-not-very-insightful criticism. You know what's hard? Writing a glorious, captivating, heartbreaking, sensitive, witty, complex, stomach-flipping story that makes me stay up reading until 3 AM and maybe even longer (except that I have a spoonful of self control and made myself stop reading because otherwise I would not have slept at all, which would have made my morning's task of teaching some impenetrable poststructuralist theory to underslept undergrads a complete impossibility). THAT's hard. But look at you, you did it.

TBoY (the acronym of which still makes me laugh) is monstrously delicious. Your Blaine is just perfect, perfect, perfect, and sympathetic, and real. The tension between the two men? It's twisting up my heart in all kinds of good ways. Kurt as a high schooler? Absolutely perfectly-done in his short-sighted righteousness. (Did I think his reaction to Blaine's school choice was unreasonable? You bet, a little bit. Did that make me love it more? Absolutely.) Your OCs are the best, even when I hate them (I'm talking about you, Brandt Doughface). Praise, praise, praise, praise, nothing but praise for this awesomeness. Oh, and a thank you for writing/sharing it.

I've noticed a trend among some readers to express vehement distaste when a character does something one doesn't like, or wouldn't do oneself, or isn't perfect. This suggests to me a fundamental misunderstanding of what realist fiction is. People aren't perfect, nor are they consistent, clear, or understandable most of the time. Writing characters who are always right, polite, completely consistent and perfect is BORING and WRONG and kind of INDECENT. Or, at least, it's unfair to those characters. Not liking or not agreeing with what a character does is DIFFERENT from not liking the work of fiction that contains him/her. It's usually an inverse relationship, in fact.

Your characters are flawed in gorgeous ways, and you're unfolding this story just so perfectly, and I don't want to give that up. I know you say you don't need praise, but seriously, shouldn't there be a lot of that readily available? At least enough to outbalance the douchery of one or two people who, gifted with opposable thumbs, are able to click the comment button 100 times?

Rant!!

(PS: Meanwhile, thank you for the nice note about "Sweet"!)

stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
This deserves a Bro-Five and a fancy tango through a field of brightly colored feathers.

I am actually terrible at accepting compliments, so I won't tell you that I'm making faces at myself and looking at the middle distance. (But I will tell you thank you from the bottom of my heart. And spleen, that's how deep it goes.)

The trend you've noticed - YES. It's like a whole new level of Mary Sue (in which the reader Mary Sues the fic). I can't imagine how boring TBoY (snerk) would be if everything worked, if everyone made good choices every single time. Why bother? And you're onto something with how people see a flaw in the character as a flaw with the story. (I suspect they've read too much Twilight and had Edward Perfection-itis.)

RANT ON, SISTER-GIRL. (Or BROTHER-BOY, I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME.)

And seriously, I cannot praise your story enough. I have been telling people that aren't in Glee fandom about it. Or, you know, in ANY fandom. I am so in love with it.
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mugglegato
Apr. 9th, 2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
I have to say I'm stunned you are getting this reaction. There is a lot of crap out there and this IS NOT part of that. I look forward to the new chapter everyday. (In fact I've been checking for it at work, that's how much I anticipate a new chapter.) I don't have time to read other comments, so I had no clue.

I'm fairly new to the Glee fandom, having spent the last 4 years in the HP fandom. So I've been reading just about everything I come across. Like I said there is a lot of crap out there, but you find that in the HP fandom.

Since I'm new, I'm only now finding authors I like and plan on following. This has led me to tumblr, which is really new for me. No one I follow in HP uses tumblr. I have to say I HATE it! I only keep up with it for the pictures that people post. I find the people tend to be so rude on there. I think they think they are being funny, but it doesn't come across that way to me. Of course that is probably my age showing. I know I'm way older than most people on there.

Anyway, that's a long winded way of me agreeing with you and offering my support for your storytelling. Please, for the sake of those that do appreciate you, keep it up. :)
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 08:25 pm (UTC)
I'm choosing to think that people want this to be perfect, so they're just helping me. *drinks a lot of booze* I'm just going to tell people that any error they find from now on is the green thread in the Persian rug that is my story - a mistake on purpose to not offend God. (Hahaha)

I've been in multiple fandoms for years, and yes - you find a lot of garbage, a lot of negativity in all of them. But that's not how *I* like to participate, so I try to avoid it. When I get hit with a deluge, I snap.

I actually like Tumblr, but that's because I tweaked my dashboard to hide all spoilers, all uses of specific tags like "fuck you Darren" etc. I cannot stand that. (I think of the actors, you know? Or their family? UGH.) And I follow mostly art blogs on Tumblr. :D No fandom hate that way! <3

(And I'm no spring chicken my self. I am thoroughly on the Adult side of the line.)
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mai_flower
Apr. 9th, 2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
Hugs!
People just really suck sometimes...

But you? You are the extreme opposite of that. Amazing times infinity! So don't you dare let them bring you down. I'll personally tie a million helium balloons to you if I have to!
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Hugs!
Hahahahaha, I don't know about all of that, but THANK YOU VERY MUCH. (And like I'd ever turn down a helium balloon!)

<3
forgiveninasong
Apr. 9th, 2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
I am 100% appreciating your work, still, just so you know! And like I said on the first couple of chapters, you got the *English* tone down really well, and to me, that shows chops of a good author. You've put in the work, you've done your research. Because there is *NOTHING* more jarring than reading a fic where it's supposed to be set in one country, but is so full of stuff from another country, that it makes you want to use the back button (and I do!).

I just....gah. I know that I am verrrrrrry much guilty of calling people arseholes and bastards for being attractive (hell, my Darren Criss tag on Tumblr is about him ruining my life). But I'm just a ridiculous person. I know people might not get *why* I do it, but that's just how it is. I'm not gonna be mad. I mean, for all that I say stuff like that ^^ I can genuinely look at a picture, and just go "wow, you are stunning, I think I love you". So, you know. It just depends on the mood.

I hate fandom entitlement. I do. It's stupid, it's ridiculous, and it makes authors feel shitty (hey, check out me bringing the Oxford comma back!). Writers do not owe their readership anything. You're writing because you WANT to, and if they don't like it, tough shit.

Also, why WHY are people criticising you? WHY? I'm SO up for just pointing out a helpful PS. you missed some formatting/spelling etc. Because, I don't think that's overstepping, and even if you have your piece beta'd, you nearly always miss the occasional spelling thing. But to say that you don't believe the story, or that you think it's unrealistic...or whatever? No, not cool. There's a reason we have a back button on our browsers.

Anyway. YOU ARE AMAZING and I continue to worship your work.
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:38 pm (UTC)
I have no problem with people having the fannnish experience they want in their own space - I mean, who am I to tell them how to enjoy something, you know? I just don't like it in my space, is all. (I just can't deal with the "Fuck you" stuff - it's rampant, I know. But it makes me have a sad. *shrug* So no problem, I filter, etc. They're happy, I'm happy.

I am all for a catch that "they're on the end of blah, so it's their." YES. That's fine. But when a) that's the only thing they have to say (I get quite a few of those) and b) it's in an eye roll, "You stupid article" tone, I just won't put up with it. Life's too short.

You are wonderfully supportive, and I thank you for that!
linden_jay
Apr. 9th, 2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
I just... I... BUH? WTF, people! Manners! I don't even. I don't blame you at all for ranting.

I'm waiting until the whole thing is posted to read it, because I am incapable of cliffhangering (I have been known on multiple occasions to save the season finale of a show until the day that the new season airs--I have become a NINJA at spoiler dodging).

I wanted to throw some sunshine down on you for your author's note that specifies that it is not a WIP, but a serial story being posted regularly, because I LOVE when people post their stuff that way (see above allergy to cliffhangers). It guarantees that as soon as that last chapter falls, I'm going to have a giant fuck off story to read, and I can enjoy the ten seconds of OH MY GOD WHAT HAPPENS NEXT before I click on the next part like a greedy bastard.
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
I do that too - wait for entire things to be posted? That's no skin off my nose at all. I like to have a cozy afternoon/night with a story and a glass of wine, my self. :D (I also do that with TV shows! Ha.)

I had a favorite story (and OH how I loved it, The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot, Sparrington) that was missing one chapter for well over two years. And you know, the author was blocked, had things happen - I get it. But I just can't do WiPs unless it's A) amazing and b) from someone with a track record. It's agony waiting. :)
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brunettepet
Apr. 9th, 2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
Nearly a hundred pokes in the eye? WTF? Some people have too much time on their hands and don't use it for good. Leaving constructive criticism is one thing, pointing out typos is another, harassing the author is just bullshit. Fans, behave yourselves and keep fandom fun for everyone!
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
I'm wondering if a large portion of those anonymous "asks" I've gotten were from the same person. I don't want to lump them all up, there are some folks that have been utterly delightful.
kayoko
Apr. 9th, 2012 09:43 pm (UTC)
Glee fandom: It's time to start behaving like humans.
I honestly don't think this is possible. The fandom's filled with very young fans and it brings about a very different atmosphere. I hope that the good people that surrounded you outweigh the sea of garbage out there. It's rather smelly and I find that beating them down with a ten foot pole seems to do the trick. =)
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:43 pm (UTC)
Siiiiiiigh. I'm holding out hope (I'm forever an optimist. Blaine and I have a lot in common. This is me at the punching bag, btw.) :D

I have some amazing people I routinely interact with (and new people that I'm meeting) that are fantastic. I just need people with a default set to "not a jerk" you know?
foreverfoxcat
Apr. 9th, 2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
Well, this is just pants. Fandom and fic and writing is meant to be such a positive thing, I really hate that it's turning into such a negative experience for you. Maybe it's the Brit in me again, but I honestly don't understand why people can't control their responses and be pleasant and polite instead of rude and bratty. It's basic manners, if nothing else! And like one of the ladies above said, if you're worried the story is heading in a painful direction or if you're no longer impressed with the writing/plot/characterisation etc then all you have to do is turn off.

I was reading some of the comments to chapter 8 today and thinking how much I would really enjoy having a conversation about the story so far, the events, what the characters are feeling and what might happen next, especially because some of the comments were quite different to my interpretation of the fic. This story has really engaged me, precisely because I think it's going to be a difficult fic for the characters and because I'm really interested in what might happen next and why. But I was really worried about accidentally getting in to some kind of argument with people. So yeah, I was too nervous to start a conversation with other readers in case it all kicked off, I can't imagine what it must be like being the author and having people give you a hard time when you post the fic itself. It's a shame, because I really like talking to people. And I really like talking to people who disagree with me, but it all depends on those people being able to respond in the same spirit.

I hope I've said that ok. I'm not saying that the people who commented would be arses, just that it's difficult to engage in a conversation with people who may disagree with you when you know there are people out there treating the author like you describe and acting like the fic can only be written to their specification, all else be damned. It's your fic. If Blaine grows two heads in the next chapter and finds out he's the love child of Bruce Lee and Zaphod Beeblebrox, then so be it.

Sorry, I think I went a bit rambly and off topic there. Anyway, I'm sorry about the arses. I'm very grateful that you're out there writing fic, for arses and non-arses alike. I really hope this kind of thing doesn't discourage you from your next 148,000 word epic because I would hate for the non-arses to miss out.
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
IT IS PANTS. And as I teach my children (and any of their friends if they need reminding) there is no excuse for not having manners when they're free.

I would LOVE for you to engage in conversation with people. Honestly, that's something that commonly happens in my LJ and I love it. (When people forget it's not a community but my journal, I have to get a little snippy, but that's rare.)

Know this: I've modded comms (and maintain a semi-sprawling website with fan interaction) and take it seriously. I shut down bad behavior quickly when it's directed to another person. So I want you to feel comfortable enough to start up a dialog and know that I won't let people misbehave. It takes a while for me to stand up for myself, but I'm Johnny on the Spot when it comes to someone else in trouble.

I think the vast majority of people I'm interacting with are well-meaning, lovely people. It's always the loudest screech that gets the attention.

Plus you get bonus points for Zaphod Beeblebrox. Stay calm and carry a towel! ;)
foreverfoxcat
Apr. 9th, 2012 09:54 pm (UTC)
Ooh, sorry, forgot to say - thanks for the rec. You sold me at the Pushing Daisies comparison. :D
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
Is that story not WONDERFUL?!?! I am absolutely smitten with it.
secondalto
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:01 pm (UTC)
I'm just going to sit here and offer hugs. *HUGS* And maybe some tea and a chance to natter on about Game of Thrones, non-spoilery of course. (Though there are a quite a few I wish I could share with you.)
stoney321
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
Ooh, tea! And Game of Thrones chatter! YES, PLEASE!!

*hugs you back*
star55
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:58 pm (UTC)
I really hope you don't think I'm completely weird for commenting but I kind of, uh. stalk your Klaine tag on here because I'm kind of in love with your writing. ANYWAY. Ahem.
I just wanted to share my thoughts that I agree with you on so many points.
I've seen, mostly on Tumblr, that people basically demand more chapters for stories, more anything really and they mostly do it anonymously. I have kind of a massive love/hate for Tumblr. It provides me with pretty pictures but that's about it. The people on there are demanding, horrid, mean and downright rude at times and it's a massive turn off, if you will. That's one of the main reasons I don't allow anonymous 'asking' on my Tumblr at all. That and it's a breeding ground for negativity and I've had way too much of that in my life, so it's easier to have it off.
I read your stuff and follow you because I think you're about 1billion shades of amazing. There's actually very little authors I follow either on Tumblr, or here on LJ whom I've liked all of their fics. There's usually something I haven't liked but with you, it hasn't been the case so far. That and you're probably the best author I have ever read - and I've read a lot of fanfiction.
And you're nice as well. You're not some snooty bitch, like a lot of the authors on Tumblr that I follow are. You aren't all "Yes, I am fantastic, yes, I am great, follow me, you plebeians!" You're just an all-round kind of lovely person.
I don't understand how people can be such arseholes sometimes. Blah.

Also, I completely agree on this: (I'm not even going to go into how much I hate people who post "Look at this asshole" and "fuck you" when someone is especially handsome, pretty, etc. It's douchey; I think it's douchey; I can't stand it. Which is why I scroll and filter.)
I cannot stand people saying 'look at this asshole', it's pathetic in my opinion and it just makes everyone look like an idiot. I can firmly say I'll never do that to someone. I'd rather say 'oh gosh, I love you' because at least that sounds positive over 'fuck you, asshole!' which just sounds so wrong to me, even if people are meaning for it to be a compliment. Call me old fashioned but I'd much prefer a 'that's lovely' as a compliment to 'fuck you!'. It just makes things confusing.

I'm pretty much the worst person when it comes to pointing out errors/correcting people but if I see it in a fic that's already been posted, or has had loads of people beta it, like you, then I just guess that mistakes happen. I've been on a board of over 16 people and we've all missed a specific typo before and that was when a promotional poster was created. It got messy but gosh, mistakes happen. We're human. People need to deal with it.
I can't believe some people are treating you/your fics like that. That's so ridiculous.
I get that everyone is entitled to their opinion but they're also entitled to keeping their mouths shut and honestly, I think more people should exercise this right.
You're creating a story for people to read - so people can share the joy you felt while writing it. The reader's job is solely to read the story and possibly enjoy it. I know I don't enjoy some stories but I'm not the kind of person who will just go 'your story was fucking shit, let me tell you exactly why'. If I don't like it, I don't go out of my way to comment on how bad it was or make all of these (usually invalid) points. It's the same as when I buy a book off the shelf at a store, if I like the sound of it, I'll buy it, if I don't, I put that baby back on the shelf because you bet your arse there's someone else who will enjoy it. Tearing someone down because of a few minor errors is pathetic and it makes them seem like a desperate-for-attention kind of idiot.
star55
Apr. 9th, 2012 10:59 pm (UTC)
(Part two of two because I talk a lot.)


Some people in the Glee fandom really make it horrid for the rest of us. People think, way too often, that they're entitled to make other people feel like shit.

I've loved your works from Where There's Smoke (it's still on my kindle and I snuggle in with it whenever I need to feel good, which is probably a lot) and I am completely head over heels in love with The Bones of You because it's amazing. You're amazing. You can see how much effort, thought and dedication went into the first chapter alone (which I can't say for a lot of authors).
If I could, I would fawn over you a lot because I think you're that amazing and like I said earlier, there's not a lot of authors in the Glee fandom who I've liked all of their works (some kinks are not mine) but you? I can safely say that yeah, you're my favourite fanfic author ever.
Now I've rambled for a billion lines, I'll go because this might be awkward... ♥
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kouredios
Apr. 10th, 2012 12:01 am (UTC)
Ugh. I'm so sorry you've gotten such a hatefest from posting this fic. I don't understand it. Is it because of the youth of Glee fandom? Those kids better just get offa your lawn. They can go play in their own yard, you know?

Seriously, though, I don't really hang around in this fandom at all, except to read your stuff and f_m's. I had no idea you were getting this much trash talk. I'm so sorry. *hugs*
stoney321
Apr. 10th, 2012 02:28 am (UTC)
It's more of a nitpick/pester-fest than hate. SO there's a silver lining?

Whatevs, I have great people like you around, so I'm all good. (And you should totally give that fic I recced a try. AMAZING.)

<3
kwritten
Apr. 10th, 2012 12:27 am (UTC)
I love your words. All of them, even especially the snarky ones.
I'm appalled that you have been hounded for your fic (which is AMAZING, btw - I just haven't commented yet BECAUSE THERE ARE NO WORDS FOR THE AWESOME... and by the time I take a breath to process THERE'S ANOTHER FRACKING CHAPTER POSTED TO KNOCK MY SOCKS OFF).... uhm... I am not sure what I was talking about now...

((hugs))
stoney321
Apr. 10th, 2012 02:29 am (UTC)
LOL! And thank you - YOU DO NOT HAVE TO COMMENT, IT IS OKAY. I like knowing you like it, that is good enough for me!
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